CHILI IS COMMUNITY | BRIAN BAUMGARTNER

This month, we caught up with Brian Baumgartner who The Office fans know played Kevin Malone. We talk about this iconic show that brought us into a branch of Dunder Mifflin Paper Company in Scranton PA. Viewers enjoyed seeing all the dynamics that are involved with co-workers, engaging in office politics, breaking the 4th wall copiously in a mockumentary style and of course the iconic moment when his character introduced us to his chili! We wanted to know more about how that came together and what led this New York Times Best-Selling Author Brian Baumgartner to drop his own cookbook, Seriously Good Chili Cookbook 177 of the Best Recipes in the World which is available now! We talk about his approach to creating the cookbook, gathering fans of the show as well as chefs who have won awards for their creations and how he really examines the world of chili from including his own recipe, chili con carne, chili verde, white chicken chili, texas chili, other categories and of course Kevin's Famous Chili! We're pleased to share that you'll find our recipe for Mezcal Jalapeño and Tortilla Strips Chili Verde along with my recipe for Mexican Lime Crema in this book with a little story of why this is one of our favorite chilis to make as a connoisseur of the category!

We talk about the impact of The Office, how his enjoyment of the original British series led by Ricky Gervais made him want to be part of the US one, his podcast that peeled the many layer of the onion on how this show came together in The Office Deep Dive Podcast and his other podcast, Off the Beat which digs into some of your other favorite shows and sharing the actors thoughts on it as well as jobs that they had, stories that you may not have heard and moving on from their iconic roles!

ATHLEISURE MAG: We are fans of The Office and we love that you played Kevin Malone. What drew you to the show and the role and what did you enjoy about playing Kevin?

BRIAN BAUMGARTNER: Well look, I was a big fan of the British version of the show and I had recently moved to LA and I knew that they were looking for people that weren’t known. At that point, that was definitely me, I was doing theater at the time, mostly traveling around the country and I knew that they were looking for people. I thought that the British version was genius and nobody at the time knew it, but I knew that that was the part that should be mine and that I should play! I auditioned shortly after I moved to LA and met Greg Daniels (The Office, Parks and Recreation, Hello Ladies) and Ben Silverman (The Office, The Biggest Loser, Running Wild with Bear Grylls) and the rest of the gang there and 10 years later, this is where we’re going!

AM: During the pandemic, I actually enjoyed listening to The Office Deep Dive podcast. What made you want to do that Project? It was great to hear you go behind the scenes.

BB: You know, truly it may be the first show in TV history that got bigger once we were done filming. I mean the explosion of the show over the last 3, 4, 5 years is insane. For me, it truly started with a question which was – why, how did this happen and why are younger people watching the show? This was not a show that we were making for young people and I’ll be totally honest about that! It’s not that they were excluded, but we thought it was for people that could relate to people who were in offices – meaning people who worked in offices. For me, getting the gang back together again and trying to figure out what happened and if we could find some clues in terms of how the show was set up, written and acted and the style and all of that on why people were so drawn to it. So that was the reason for getting everybody back together.

AM: Love that and honestly, it’s great with the format as there’s something about constantly breaking the 4th wall! Seeing other people who since that show aired have been successful with that like Abbott Elementary that does this as well. I think that rawness, working in an office and what that means – it definitely grabbed people!

BB: Nice, thank you!

AM: Where did Kevin’s love of chili come from? Did you create that or did it come from the writer’s room? How did that happen?

BB: No, that was the writers. I think that the show and why a lot of people still respond to the show is that it is a celebration of ordinary people. So I think that the writers were constantly looking for character traits that allowed these characters to thrive in certain settings. So that was totally them and they had the idea that this was the thing that Kevin does the best! I never imagined that we would still be talking about it all these years later! It was just a scene that I thought that was funny and well done and it required a lot of hours of rehearsal and preparation because of you know the mess that we all knew it was going to be. But, yeah I never imagined that we would still be talking about it or that I would have a chili cookbook!

AM: Where does your love of chili come from?

BB: It really was that. I am a cook. I probably 5 times a week I’m at the grill usually doing something or some other sort of thing. It was a little bit of time after that scene had happened and I had the idea. It was a fall day and I’m sure that there was football coming on and I thought that I would make some chili. I found a recipe, made it and I’m sure I took a picture. Because pic or it didn’t happen. I took a picture of it and posted it online and people went bananas. They just thought that it was the funniest thing. So, it didn’t occur to me at that point that people would respond that way. So I kept making it and I think that I did a pretty good job and now I have my own recipe and I continue to change, develop and experiment with and I was invited to The World Championship Chili Cook Off. There are hundreds of people there and there are all kinds of chili and everyone who is there is already a champion and they have won their state, region, district or whatever!

So, these are all people who know what they are doing and there is something about the culture of it that I just love! It’s people that are celebrating each other, getting tips and I think that I consider chili to be communal – you don’t make a pot of chili for yourself. It’s not something that you do. It’s all about sharing it with friends or family or around some event. So I like that aspect of it as you’re usually not doing it by yourself. It’s usually about community I think. I say it not to be cheesy at all – that’s what it is. So for me, it’s particularly fun. So I had the idea to assemble the best recipes around that I could find. We have so many of the World Champion recipes the International Chili Society – we got access to put a bunch of those recipes in the book, we have chefs, celebrity chefs, fans of the show who we also got submissions from, publications and other cooking organizations and sites. We tried our best to taste them all and to vet them! The truth is in the number, we were looking to try and get 100 – there are 177 of them! I mean they just coming in and they were so good, so interesting and so different, we wanted to have something for everyone! So there ended up being 177 of them and I am proud of all of them that are in this book!

AM: That’s amazing! I’m from Indiana originally, I live in NY and I love chili. Indiana chili is a big thing. What I do love about it is that you have all of these varieties. I grew up on Skyline Chili.

BB: Sure!

AM: But because of Athleisure Mag and everything else like that, I had started making for years a green type of chili instead of using a red based one. So the recipe we submitted was the Mezcal Jalapeño Tortilla Strip Chili Verde recipe!

BB: Nice!

AM: Yes, because I love Mezcal so that was a thing and when we were making it, I had never added Mezcal before, but it was so good and so tasty! So what were your 3 favorite ones that are in this cookbook?

BB: Well I mean I guess I have to start with mine!

AM: Right!

BB: So there’s that. I just made a couple of weeks ago finally, a chili that I had just loved and that I had tasted last year at the championships which was a finalist which was a Chicken White Bean Chili that starts with grilling chicken, chopping chicken – I had never done anything like it before. I had never made anything like it before and it was delicious! So good, I made it and can't wait to make it again because it was so good. And then the one that actually won last year and I had passed 3 chilis to the final, one which won as well – which was much more traditional in the homestyle category. Which basically means, chili with beans, but more traditional that won that was really delicious.

Yeah, personally, I have not made all 177! I have tasted a lot, but I am going to work my way through it. I just made a note for the Mezcal – I’m going for it!

AM: Oh yeah, it has 3 different meats in it – love it! It was great as it was on brand for Athleisure Mag, but it is Mezcal and that room smokes when you add it!

BB: Nice!

AM: So your book had been in preorder the last few months and it drops on Sep 13th.

BB: That’s right!

AM: What are the things that you’re going to do to promote it? Are you going to be on Good Morning America doing chili demos?

BB: I think that the Today Show – I will be in NY running around going to Barnes & Noble there, The Strand will have signed copies of the book. So yeah, you’ll see me around making chili for sure on various programs.

AM: Outside of your cookbook, you have a podcast called Off the Beat can you tell me about this?

BB: Yeah, in fact, I was a couple of minutes late talking to you because I was talking with Kevin Pollack (Billions, American Crime Story, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel) and Busy Philipps (Dawson’s Creek, Vice Principals, Girls5eva) who are going to be upcoming guests. Yeah, it was born out of The Office Deep Dive and the conversations that I had with my old co-workers there and I just loved diving deep into the story. That was much more about The Office and the show. But for this, my idea was to talk to people about the unexpected moments that shaped them and their careers. Like what brought them on and led them to their specific journeys that they’re on. So I have just loved doing it. I have been able to talk in a different way with so many old friends that I never knew their story and then new friends as well! So, I’m having so much fun doing that and I encourage everybody to listen!

AM: Are there other projects that you have going on that we should keep an eye out for?

BB: You know, right now, we’re selling books!

AM: Oh yeah, you’re the book man!

BB: Right now I am the book man! I’m going to be going on a tour to some colleges and elsewhere coming up soon so look for dates on that!

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Read the SEP ISSUE #81 of Athleisure Mag and see CHILI IS COMMUNITY | Brian Baumgartner in mag.

THE ULTIMATE BITE WITH MING TSAI

We've been a fan of Chef Ming Tsai for a number of years from attending a decadent editor's event where he paired savory dishes with a premium alcohol brand, watching him on his shows sharing his love for East meets West cooking, to seeing him on a number of shows judging - we love seeing his passion when he is creating his dishes. As someone who is known for his restaurants, TV shows, cookbooks, cooking line and more, we wanted to see how he has been navigating the past few months, find out how he came to the food industry and to find out more about one of his newest projects MingsBings!

ATHLEISURE MAG: Before we delve into your culinary career, you were a professional squash player and played at Yale– what is it that you love about the game and do you still play it?

CHEF MING TSAI: I am one of the most competitive people I know and squash to me is one of the most intense sports because you are enclosed in a small room with one other person and there is no-where to hide. If you are on a team sport like football or basketball you could in theory get lost in the shuffle. On a squash court, it’s two people and you’re responsible for your own actions and you control your own fate. The one curious rule is if you hit the other person with the ball you actually win the point. To someone outside the sport, you could in theory keep hitting the other person, but the other person could also keep hitting you back and they might hit you harder. Squash is a game of true sportsmanship, it’s a prerequisite.

I continue to play today mostly because I’m coaching my son David who proudly is following in my footsteps at Yale. As a side note, as a Chef, I love playing to burn a ton of calories, but it’s also a great way to get rid of stress (it’s very therapeutic), particularly right now during COVID which has hit the restaurant industry really hard.

AM: What was the moment when you fell in love with food?

CHEF MT: Apparently my first word was Nui Nai, which means milk. As soon as I could walk without falling over, which was maybe around 2 years old, I was always hanging out in the kitchen. I would watch my parents or grandparents in the kitchen cooking admiring the wok over the fire, their knives with the cutting board, but most importantly I learned early on that by hanging out in the kitchen, you'll be fed faster there. I kept coming back for more, I knew there was something about being in the kitchen that made me happy, and I was, still am and always will be hungry.

AM: When did your interest in food turn into wanting to work in the industry?

CHEF MT: I became interested in the food industry early on because my parents used to do private catering events and festivals. As early as age 10, I was frying egg rolls for thousands of people next to my grandfather. My first epiphany with food was also at age 10. My parents had friends over, unannounced because the couple happened to be driving through Dayton which is where we lived at the time. In the Chinese culture, you don’t ask “How Are You?” when greeting someone at the door, you actually ask, “Have you eaten?,” so I took it upon myself to make them my first fried rice. It by no means was my best, but in an instant when I watched all four of them, my parents and their friends, enjoying the meal, I realized I could make people happy through food. It was a true epiphany that to this day, is why I love being a chef.

AM: How would you define your cooking style?

CHEF MT: East-West, blending of techniques and ingredients that produces food that is bold in flavor and contrasting temperatures and textures that at the end of the day is inherently healthy. I’m more plant-based now more than ever.

AM: What was your culinary journey that you led to opening Blue Ginger?

CHEF MT: I cooked at the Mandarin Kitchen, with my mom. During college, I went to Paris for apprenticeships and then went to Le Cordon Bleu. After college, I moved to Paris and worked as a Pastry cook at Fauchon with Pierre Hermé. After that, I worked as a Sous Chef at the restaurantNatasha. That was the first time I was able to first blend East-West flavors in a professional sense. After two years in Paris, with the goal of opening my own restaurant one day being a good Chinese son, I went to Cornell to get a masters in Hospitality and Marketing. After I received my masters, I went to open a bunch of restaurants in hotels and ended up at the Intercontinental where I helped open 5 restaurants and 2 hotels. I realized I missed cooking in the kitchen and wanted to get back into the kitchen. That’s when I went to the Mandarin Oriental and worked at Silks. In 1990 Ken Hom was the head chef and he greatly encouraged me to keep, cooking the East-West style, it was really significant for me. Funnily enough, Silks was also where I met my best chef friend Ken Oringer. After Silks, I went to Santa Café in Santa Fe, where I did East-meets-South-west food. It was a significant period be-cause not only was it my first executive chef job, when I got my highest Zagat rating, but was also when Food Network “discovered me”. I took a liking to teaching what I knew in the kitchen and spreading my love of food to the masses. After two years though, I was ready to open my own place. I decided to move back to East to Boston and from there I opened BlueGinger in 1998.

AM: What were the biggest lessons that you learned when you opened your first restaurant?

CHEF MT: There are three big important lessons. The first is design build. The architect and general contractor have to speak the same language. You can’t build a 13-foot wall because planks of wood come in 12 feet foot pieces. You have to think about the way materials come in when you design something. A round booth costs twice as much as a square, but they can seat the same amount of people.

The second piece to this is you have to be there daily to save time and money. Plus if you are there every day, everyone works a little faster and you’ll save time with decisions and money. This helps to not only finish on time and but, will help save with your budget. The other piece to this is In-spect your space before you take over the lease really well. Make sure you drill into walls for water damage, asbestos etc. The second is cash-flow. When you raise money, if you did zero covers the first month, you should still be able to cover payroll, taxes, insurance etc. Restaurants fail because they open later than scheduled and they don’t have enough cash flow to sustain them. They don’t have enough money to pay rent, insurance, taxes even though they aren’t operating. If you open 2 months late, you have more financial pressure, so you have to do x amount of covers to pay for payroll, insurance etc. Then they start buying cheaper products or taking shortcuts and lower-ing quality and the downward spiral can’t be stopped. Make sure you raise enough money to open on time and on budget.

The third most important thing is who you surround yourself matters. Your team matters, they represent you. You have to find true hospitality professionals. They have to think like you and want to be in the restaurant industry. You want people that believe in hospitality and you have to make sure that every person in your organization believes that. As a chef the front of house for the customer experience is more important. For example, you could have the best food in the world, but if the service is condescending or arrogant, they won’t come back. You could have mediocre food, if the customer was entertained, treated well, the server remembered their name, it was the best service in the world, the customer will come back. You need loyalty, it makes a restaurant successful. Front of house is 70% of your dining experience, if you have the right pricing, the magic experience and the best food, it's the secret formula.

And just as important, as the leader, you have to lead by example. I’ve never walked by trash in the middle of the dining room, a cigarette or trash outside the restaurant and not picked it up. There’s no job too small for the owner. Ideally, you aren’t the only one doing it, you have to roll up your sleeves and get dirty. You have to do it, lead by example and show others how to get it done. And always use, “please and thank you”. You always have to ask, it always helps get the job done.

AM: You have won a number of awards including James Beard, Zagat and more – how important was it for you to receive the accolades?

CHEF MT: None of us are chefs to win the awards. We are chefs to make delicious food for people. The only reason having a large platform has helped is that it allows you to do more good, I’ve been able to do a lot of good because of my platform. Family Reach is an organization that provides a lifeline to families fighting cancer. In 10 years, I’ve helped raise over 8 million dollars through live charity dinners, but I’m fully aware that it’s because of my platform I’m able to do this. It’s a lot of waste of opportunity if you don’t take the opportunity to do good with it.

AM: Tell me about Blue Dragon and what people can expect when they come there?

CHEF MT: Blue Dragon has been closed since May 30th, we were proudly a partner with the Lee Initiative providing meals to restaurant workers in the Boston area. We were able to use Jamaica Mi Hungry food truck to provide thousands of meals to restaurant workers. Reality is real, where Blue Dragon is located, there is no business hence Blue Dragon is in hibernation for now.

AM: You are also the chef/partner at BABA in Yellowstone. What is this restaurant and what should we know about it?

CHEF MT: BABA is my one year old restaurant at the Yellowstone Club in Montana. I’ve always loved the mountains and Mon-tana is one of the most beautiful places on earth. I got to create a new signature dish, Tea-Smoked Peking Duck and bring back some old Blue Ginger favorites as well, plus some touches like Potstickersand shumai from Blue Dragon as well. It’s a culmination of all my favorite dishes and foods I’ve cooked throughout my career and absolutely my favorite way I love to eat. I know I’m very blessed to be able to go to Big Sky as often as I do.

AM: We have yet to try them, but we know they’re on their way – tell me about MingsBings, why did you want to offer these, what they are and will you have additional offerings as well?

CHEF MT: In 2017, my family and I received the world-shaking news that my wife Pol-ly had been diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer. While we explored medical treatment options at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Polly also made the life-changing decision to transition to a strict vegan diet with the hope of lowering inflammation by using food as medicine. As I dove into cooking all-plant based food, I found a lack of healthy savory meal replacements while strolling the grocery aisles. I was quickly disappointed by the variety and quality of the options on the market. It was in this moment that I recognized a new mission. While I created plant-based meal options to help Pollyheal as she improved, I also realized there were likely many more people out there like her who were possibly making the same changes. I continued to search and create vegan alternatives that were delicious and nutritious. After experimenting in the kitchen, MingsBings was born. The first flavor, the Original, is a veggie filled patty that launched the end of 2020 packed with watercress, red onions, shiitake mushrooms, edamame, garlic, ginger and pepitas all wrapped in a gluten-free brown rice wrapper. Found in the frozen aisle of Dave’s Fresh Market in Rhode Island (and soon other local grocery stores in MA) and online on MingsBings.com. Plus I’m so proud to say that a portion of our proceeds give back to both Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Family Reach, two organizations that are incredibly near and dear to my heart. Stay tuned for new flavors coming out soon too!

AM: I have been a fan of yours for years and remember you on East Meets West with Ming Tsai and then seeing you're on anumber of shows on Food Network, being on the Today Show for the Beijing Olympics as well as your current show, Simply Ming. How important is it for chefs to share their personality and passion for food through these shows as well as socially?

CHEF MT: I’ve always loved to teach, cooking and sports. It’s also why I love being a father. You have to love teaching if you want to be a dad. I love all the outlets to be able to continue to teach. It’s why I loved East Meets West, Simply Ming and why it’s been a lot of fun to continue to do it on social media like Instagram and latest Pinterest and TikTok accounts. It’s so important to show your authenticity, to explain where the dish was created and where it came from. The meteoricrise of social media is like the invention of the TV, but the difference is when the TV was invented, you still had to buy one to join. Now, everyone has their phone and it’s free to join. It’s scary because it’s not going to slow down. I was only one of 8 chefs on TV in the early Food Network days, now I’m one of 70,000 on TikTok, the points of entry have been removed, anyone can be a chef on TikTok, if you have one follower, you’re a success. Just like a restaurant, you have to differentiate, fortunately, I truly enjoy teaching and showing people how to do cooking hacks, cleaning a cast iron pan, how to make a simple fried rice dish. Paramount for anyone in this medium, you have to stay authentic to your craft, but it doesn’t mean you can’t play to the edges and have fun with it.

AM: You’ve also had Simply Ming cookware on HSN as well. How important has this been to your brand?

CHEF MT: I’m so happy I’m still with HSN and we’re delving into food as well. It’s a key relationship for me because I’ve always wanted to level the playing field and have people cook with the same equipment I’ve had to make the task easier. The cookware is nonstick so that less fat can be used if desired. My favorite demo is cooking salmon with no oil so the salmon doesn’t stick. I’m so excited we are going to start selling some MingsBings on HSN the next few months.

AM: COVID has definitely had an impact regardless of your vertical and the food industry has been affected – how have you navigated this time with your restaurants?

CHEF MT: I closed Blue Dragon for in-restaurant dining 2 days before the governor closed all restaurants. We remained open for take-out and proudly participated in the Lee Initiative operating as a food pantry to serve restaurant employees. We also partnered with the Jamaica Mi Hungry food truck to be able to bring more meals to surrounding Boston neighborhoods where the majority of employees live. We quickly realized it was difficult for them to come to Blue Dragon because of public transportation with COVID, so we decided to bring the meals to them. Fortunately, BABA has amazing COVID protocols for both staff and members and has safely remained opened.

AM: You have written 5 cookbooks – what is that process like and do you have additional plans for future ones?

CHEF MT: A cookbook is a major project. The reason I have not started another one is lack of time to dedicate to it. I plan on writing more, however, my next one may be more my philosophy of cooking and living than recipes, though it will still include some recipes.

AM: We’ve loved seeing your plank challenges – what was the thought behind that and why did you want to share that with your followers?

CHEF MT: Honestly it was first done as a needed distraction for not only what I thought we needed as a country, but forme as well. January being a new year, I think the entire world thinks about a new health regime. I wanted to do something that I would have to continue to do for 31 days and by putting it out there in the social media world, I knew it would help hold me accountable for 31 days. What I love about this challenge, there are no winners or losers, there are only winners. No matter how much time you do, even if you add one second, you have still accomplished something great. I was looking for positive resolutions and this was oneway to get it moving. I have loved doing it so much that I will likely continue doing it with a push-up challenge for 28 days in February.

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PHOTOS COURTESY | Chef Ming Tsai

Read the Jan Issue #61 of Athleisure Mag and see The Ultimate Bite with Ming Tsai in mag.