IMMERSIVE CULINARY | CHEF ANTONIA LOFASO

We always enjoy catching up with our favorite chefs and this month’s cover star is Chef Antonia Lofasa who we first saw on S4 of Bravo’s Top Chef: Chicago and again on S8 of Top Chef: All-Stars. Since then, we have seen her on a number of competitions, culinary shows, at Food Network’s NYC Wine & Food Festival and more! This month, her show Kitchen Undercover launched on Food Network and has new episodes that drop on Tues. at 9pm! We caught up with her in Las Vegas for a remote photoshoot to talk about her passion for cooking, how she came to the industry, her 3 restaurants, her newly premiered show that she hosts, her love of golf, and upcoming shows!

ATHLEISURE MAG: What was the first dish that made you fall in love with food?

CHEF ANTONIA LOFASO: Oh God, that’s a hard question! You know, there were like different levels to it, if that makes sense. I have friends who, you know, said to me, when they found out that I was cooking, they were like well that makes all the sense in the world you know? It’s like you know those IG posts that are like, “you may not know that I won the lottery, but there will be signs?”

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: I was someone who you know came from a family who we always sat down at the table and we always had dinner together, we always had breakfast together, lunch was always kind of dictated by school or wherever we were. When I started going to friends’ houses, and a lot of times, their parents worked at night, or they came from a single-family home, and either their mom or dad wasn’t home because they were working. One of the very first, best friends that I had, she goes, “come over to my house for dinner.” So when I did, she reheated Hungry Man dinners in her oven, and then we ate, and I was like – ok, it is what it is. A lot of people and children live that way.

It was confusing to me because I came from a family where my mom made dinner every night. We sat together and we ate. I started taking that role with my friends. I would have their parents take us to the supermarket and buy things. One of the dishes that I would make all the time was a roasted chicken. It was the first thing that my grandmother showed me how to do. It was a staple and to this day, for the record, I make one of the greatest whole roasted chickens like on the planet!

AM: Oh wow!

CHEF AL: Anyone who’s ever been to my house and everyone who asks me what they want me to make – they will say your roasted chicken and I know it! Then the really wild part is when I went to the French Culinary Institute, we learned how to make a roasted chicken! I was like dude, I got this and it was really funny because one of my chef instructors said to me, “like oh my god you already know how to do this!” Then they gave me an entire dissertation about how in classic French cooking, it’s as if you’re not allowed to leave this level of cooking until you’ve mastered the whole roast chicken. Like Poulet Rôti Grand-Mère (Roast Chicken Grandmother-Style) is like one of the most classic French chicken dishes that you learn how to make. I had no idea that like from a classic French trained, you know, teacher, educator, student, it’s always the roast chicken. So that is, I think, my earliest memory of being like, oh, my God, this is what I want to do because every time I would go to a friend’s house, I was like, we’re making roast chicken. We’re making roast chicken and I would dance with the chicken and hold it up!

AM: Oh my God - love a good roast chicken and not everyone makes a good one.

How do you define your style of cooking?

CHEF AL: You know, I grew up in an American Italian family. I’m basically American Italian and Jewish. We ate mostly American Italian. I grew up in Long Island, New York, in a very, small community where, again, it was mostly American Italians. And so I didn’t really know much about, diversity of food until I moved to Los Angeles.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: Then I had Mexican food for the first time! I mean, sure, you had Chinese restaurants in Long Island.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: I was just someone who, you know, was very inquisitive about food. And through that, you know, of course everything just started building. Like, my restaurant Scopa is American Italian.

So I found myself being like, oh my God of course my go-to is Italian food because that’s the most comforting.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: As I grew up, I went to a big public school in Los Angeles so the majority of people that I went to school with were all from Mexico or Mexican descent and we just ate a ton of Mexican food. I found myself cooking it and learning more about it. DAMA is a mixture of Mexican. I spent a good amount of time in Spain. My business partner, one of them was from Colombia.

My daughter is Jamaican. So my ex-in-law, you know, obviously I spent 10 years with them throughout Jamaica. So I learned about Caribbean food, not from books, but learning Caribbean food from Caribbean women and grandmothers! I remember the first time it was like a Christmas. Someone didn’t want to make the rice and peas and they’re like, “well Antonia can make it and I remember being like, I was no longer the white girl!”

AM: Exactly, having family that is Jamaican, Haitian, Dominican etc that is a high honor they gave you! Because those had to be right and they will tell you!

CHEF AL: I mean, I learned how to

make stewed peas, I learned how to

make curry, I know how to make jerk!

AM: Facts!

CHEF AL: So I think that my love of food came from really immersing myself just in different cultures in a very real way.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: And so when people ask about my cooking style, I think they just automatically assume because of my name –

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AL: All I do is Italian food. And yes, I have an Italian restaurant, but if you look at Black Market, everything that I do there is a mixture of everything. The throughline is, you know, I grew up in Wolfgang Puck’s kitchen. So for me, it’s execution and organization and discipline that runs the show. My ability to have my own voice and my own true temperament with food come through with ingredients that I have a true understanding, love, and respect for you know?

I really don’t play with things that I don’t understand. I think I always end up like, you know, for lack of a better words, like fucking them up. I remember I did S8 of Top Chef: All-Stars and I got paired with Morimoto. Basically, the challenge was to create a last meal and this was something his mother made for him. Instead of just taking the ingredients that I know how to use, like I know how to use miso. I know how to use sushi rice because we used to use use it at Spago with Wolfgang. I know how to tempura things. Instead of using the items that he gave me and just create something of my own, I try to recreate an actual memory from his childhood, which no one can do no matter what culture it is.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: I just really screwed up and so I’ve always kind of taken that lesson to heart which is when I understand an ingredient I can use them in my format instead of taking the ingredients and trying to make something that’s very traditional or very specific, unless I’ve spent a lot of time with people from that culture and I can really immerse myself in it like don’t even try because the heart part of things don’t transfer when you don’t have like a true understanding of what someone has experienced or cooked in that culture. Like you just can’t, you can’t recreate it.

AM: No. And I agree with that. When I first became aware of you as a chef was S4 Top Chef: Chicago. I mean, I’ve been watching Top Chef since the beginning.

CHEF AL: Amazing.

AM: So seeing you in that season and again in S8 for All-Stars. Every time I see you in these competition shows, you can see that you’re locked in and you know exactly how you are going to attack the designated task. What draws you to doing reality competition shows?

CHEF AL: You know, it’s funny because, you know, I started reality competition in 2007, right? This was back in the day when I was still working as a line cook at Spago. We got hazed if we even spoke about watching reality television to do with cooking.

AM: Oh, wow.

CHEF AL: It was like, we don’t talk about it in this kitchen. Real chefs don’t do those shows - keep your mouth shut.

AM: Wow!

CHEF AL: And so, it was almost like this dirty secret, that I liked watching it. Like, I would find myself with other, dirty people standing in the walkin being like, “oh, my God, did you see what happened last night?” Like, this is wild, right?

AM: Yeah.

CHEF LA: Think about this. The very first reality television competition in cooking was Iron Chef America that started in 2004. I went on Top Chef in 2007. So within the first 900 days of this ever being on television, I am now watching this thing unfold being like, oh my God. Right?

AM: That’s true.

CHEF AL: I really didn’t have like, I want to be on that show or I could be on that show. I was just petrified of the show and in awe of it. Right. And, and then also in this mindset of being like, oh my God, I could never do a show like that because if I, I worked at, well, I worked at Spago. Yeah. And if I wanted to continue down this, this line of like real chef, true chef, I won’t, I don’t do stuff like that.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: Right. Yeah. And then, I ended up, you know, and this was obviously season one. So I ended up leaving and it’s 3 years later and I’m now working for SBE, which is definitely a little bit more. I mean, if you’re in LA or if anyone knows SBE, they have, you know, some of the biggest like nightclub, blah, blah, blah. And so I found myself being a little, obviously less rigid with myself. I was actually working for Eddie Murphy at the time. I was doing his personal chefing. I was like, I was in a Gelson’s and I walked by Rachel Ray on a Triscuit box. I was like, you know what? If Rachael Ray could be on a Triscuit box, I don’t know why I’m thinking so small. I could do something like that.

At the time I worked for SBE and I was promised the shot at opening their supper club, which was still going to be a bar and a lounge and a nightclub, but I would have the opportunity to build out a 9 item menu for their little lounge. I got really excited by the idea of my first ability to build out a small menu. SBE’s marketing team was like, “by the way, Top Chef is interested.” Basically the producers of Top Chef reached out to large restaurant marketing teams. They were always looking for women because there was like five of us.

AM: Especially at that time.

CHEF AL: Not in those years.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: I basically was like ok, that’s crazy. I’ll interview. But then I also was like, you know, this was also during the beginning era of American Idol. I was like, wait a second. Do I have to wait in those big lines? They were like, no, it’s just gonna be an interview. And I went in and I did the interview just to like be like, ok, like, fuck it. Like, let’s see what happens.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: I remember my dad telling me that I just got this really big opportunity with SBE to write this menu - just keep your head on the ground and to stay focused on it. He wondered about the chances of me really getting on a show like that – was it really worth it? I love my father to death and he’s my biggest fan on the planet but he’s very practical. He’s the parent that was more practical and my mom was like unicorns and rainbows you have to be a famous person and I was like wait, what? My dad’s like, work hard and everything you get will be through hard work. And so that’s really how reality television started for me. It wasn’t like, oh, my God, I can’t wait to do this. It was like, holy shit, should I do this? This seems hard and weird. I told my dad that I went in for the interview. Like, you know, there’s so many people that are, you know, that go out for this. And, you know, the chances of it happening are slim to none. Little did I know, I was checking all the boxes, like Wolfgang Puck, woman, mother.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: I mean, they’re like, oh, great. We’ve got our woman. Check. We’ve got our woman who has a strong cooking background. Check. And she gave birth.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: There’s only 5 of those unicorns in 2007 that have done all those things. Who, by the way, is not 50 years old - I was 27/28. So that’s really how it started. It wasn’t like the longing or the desire really, or that it kind of like landed in my lap. It was the beginning of it. Nobody knew where it was going. There was Iron Chef and then there was Top Chef. That’s all the competitions that there were. You know, it wasn’t the 9,000, you know, and then the rotation of the same chefs that are being rotated through the 7,000 competitions that we have now you know? And so that’s really how it started.

AM: It’s different times! Since then, we’ll see you on Cutthroat Kitchen, Chopped or Guy’s Grocery Games. It was so exciting when you won Tournament of Champions last season. It was like, please let this girl get this award as you have been so close in various culinary competition shows!

CHEF AL: Yeah. I mean, I have been competing for 20 years and I always make it right there. Like I’ve always been second place, third place, you know! So finally, after almost 19/20 years, this is the first time I’ve actually ever won something big.

AM: It was so emotional because we have watched you for so many years! Seeing you just in Top Chef for both of your seasons, you were so close.

CHEF AL: I really appreciate it! If anyone’s followed me, they know that I’ve definitely put in the work.

AM: We felt your emotions on that win for sure!

So now, we have Kitchen Undercover that premiered this month and we watched the first episode. Between listening to friends of ours in the industry and even the social posts, people are loving the format of the show and of course you hosting it! We love this particular format of the show of an existing restaurant that needs to look at what they’re doing to optimize their efforts so that they can stay in business and getting assistance by industry leaders. But in watching the first episode, yours is still bringing something new to this category because you’re actually walking through saying what is wrong based on the juxtaposition of what is standard in the industry. More importantly, you’re saying why!

CHEF AL: I think that from the way that I even saw it edited, you know what I mean? And I did it with them. I was like, they really gave me free reign! Because listen, these shows take a lot of days to shoot.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: Not everyone wants to stay on set for that many days, you know what I mean? And there’s a format there - you go in, you yell, you’re done.

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AL: I literally said, we can’t walk in here and it can’t just be like dirty kitchen, wrong food, change this. Every restaurant is going to absolutely have a different set of issues!

AM: 100%!

CHEF AL: Mind you, the show that just premiered, you know a lot of times the conversation amongst them was there’s got to be more wrong in the kitchen. I’m like, I’m not going to manufacture something!

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: So the show is very true to everything that I saw. You know, listen everybody wants the drama!

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AL: Just so we’re clear, you put anyone in a restaurant cooking, there’s going to be drama!

AM: There’s going to be something!

CHEF AL: Just put the camera in the right direction. There’s not one episode that is a lack of drama, but it has to be real. I’m not going to go in there and then talk to these owners and get real responses from them if I am not looking at the things that are actually really wrong. And in every episode, it was always something different.

AM: We loved it.

CHEF AL: Yeah.

AM: What really hit a cord with us is that you started it off saying that, “the food is really great here.” And from the jump, we were like, ok, well, clearly there’s a dynamic issue. And then in the episode, you’re saying there is a dynamics issue of how things are flowing, because the kitchen should move like an orchestra.

To see this illustrated in this show and to explain the why in detail, not just the theatrics – we were hooked and cannot wait to see the progression of the season.

CHEF AL: Thank you. I hope thousands of other people are as well. Otherwise we don’t get a S2.

AM: We’re sure there’s going to be a S2!

You have spoken to this a bit already, but why did you want to give your time in this way and focus on the industry? You’re giving so much insightful informational. At Athleisure Mag, we’re always in kitchens talking with culinary experts, but for other people to be able to see that and get that information and to truly understand how this works, why are you excited that this is now out there?

CHEF AL: I have collected over, you know, close to 3 decades of being in professional kitchens, opening up 3 restaurants in Los Angeles. You know, I’ve opened up other restaurants that have closed. I’ve had horrible failures in the industry and glamorous, wild success. And the truth is most people don’t know the other part.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: And the other part is why I’ve been so successful later because I know what works and what doesn’t. I know what’s right and what’s wrong and unfortunately a lot of times restaurateurs open restaurants and they haven’t been given the opportunity to work with someone who’s already done it or to be mentored by somebody who says this is what works this is what doesn’t. They just kind of go in blindly and then they have this natural ability as leaders. They have natural abilities as cooks. But sometimes all the other fine print, what really takes people down, doesn’t get addressed. Does that make sense?

AM: Oh, no, 100%.

CHEF AL: Mind you, I didn’t go to college. I have no bachelor’s degree in business. I barely graduated high school. I have done well for myself through trial and error. Now I’m somebody who sits in big business meetings and knows exactly what I’m talking about because of the trial and error and I’ve wanted to do a show like this forever.

There’s no women in this space that talk and have the conversations the way that I do and so many of my peers do. That kind of representation I think is so important to see. I mean I think it’s wonderful for people to see me winning cooking competitions and to articulate what I see in food - congratulations you know. All of that aside, I navigated 3 businesses through fires and COVID in a major market like Los Angeles - one of the most expensive cities in the country and I employ hundreds of people. All of that really matters. And I think the way that I’ve inspired people through just basic cooking and things like this, I think that there’s a level to inspire through the levels of business and my business acumen that I’ve developed over the course of 30 years and not through a formal education. I want that to be at the forefront.

The other part to it and you’ll hear me say it in the shows and you kind of hear me say it to Jurni Rayne, the owner and operator of the soul food diner Gritz N’ Wafflez in the car where I’m like, this means something to me. Chefs are meant to mentor. Now mind you, is there the drama of like bad things that are happening in the kitchen? Yeah, my daughter likes to compare it to Love Island and she always tells me, “people love drama. It draws them in mommy.”

AM: Right!

CHEF AL: But on the other hand, she goes, “you are loving and you’re caring and you are really there to help.” I said this to Nestor Milian when we started, “we are going to change people’s lives.” It may not even be the person that we think it’s going to be when we walk through those doors. We’re going to be able to hold a standard of excellence and of discipline and of all the things that we do in the restaurant industry. We don’t know who that’s going to inspire. It could be a dishwasher who decides they want to do X, Y, and Z and want to cook now. It could be, you know, for an example, a young son who was working with his father, who now wants to go to management school to really take over the family business. There’s so many things that we don’t know what’s going to happen just by us walking in this venue and telling them this needs to be corrected.

Everyone knows when something doesn’t feel right. Everyone knows when something isn’t working, right? And all I do is go in there and I tell the truth. And by me telling the truth, everyone starts to talk and everyone starts to clear the air. And everyone says, oh my God, I was feeling the same exact way and I just kept my mouth shut. You know, I thought that this was supposed to be happening and it wasn’t. Everyone should demand to work in an environment that’s safe, that’s clean, and that’s doing its very best to be the best possible version of hospitality for our guests. You know, owners unfortunately don’t get a day off and when you feel complacent as does your people - unfortunately you don’t get a day off. You get to go cry at home when no one knows.

AM: Ha, I know that’s right!

CHEF AL: You get to go cry in a corner, but nobody knows. You get to be all of the pillar of strength in front of everyone and they never get to see you waver.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: I wanted to be that person who came in to inspire, to be the person who says what the fuck, and do all of the things with humor, humility, and sarcasm. Sometimes there is a little bit of aggression, but all in all if you watch this - it is exactly how I am in every single one of my restaurants. You know this is exactly how I am with every single one of my staff members and it’s one of those things where they all love me for it because they feel like they work in an environment that they feel proud of.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: When there’s large praise to be had, I want to give it, you know what I mean? When there’s corrections to be had, I want to make the corrections and I want to do them in the most positive loving way, you know, but that also includes a raised voice, you know what I mean? A hand in the air, you know, not like back in the day, like where I grew up, where you’re cursing at people, people and like telling them they’re pieces of shit.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: There’s other ways to do it. And that’s how I do it.

AM: Wow.

CHEF AL: Like, the counterparts to this have gone into their shows differently and been like, this is disgusting. This is blah, blah, blah. And I’m like, I didn’t use those words. And I got the same result.

AM: It’s great to see the dynamic between you and Nestor. Seeing him in the first episode knowing who he is and watching him when the staff didn’t. Then once he has been revealed, he’s like this is how we do this and if you can’t be serious, get out of the kitchen. You knew the gloves were off.

What is your favorite moment from being in this show? And what do you want as the takeaway for the viewers that are watching?

CHEF AL: I want the viewers to see because you hear us talking about it all day long - the viewers need to understand how hard this business is. I think in the temperament of a lot of what I have seen. I think that people who are coming into restaurants right now think that everything should be perfect and everything should be within my budget and blah blah and that is not the case of what happens. The margins in restaurants are 5% - 7%. Imagine all of the work that you do for 5% and then your 5% is split up between six investors. Like what is that?

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: A lot of people make money from the restaurant industry when you have 18.

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AL: When you have 18 restaurants, you can make money. But, not when you have 1 that has 30 seats. Those are the restaurants that we’re talking to. They see people in debt and they see how hard it is to manage staff and they see how hard it is to keep your kitchen in a certain way. They see that it’s not meant to embarrass anybody.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: It really isn’t. It really is meant for people to see like this is a really fucking hard industry that can slip through managers, executive chefs and business people’s hands very quickly.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: You see people struggling trying to get it right.

AM: Here in NYC we have a number of interesting eateries popping up such as those that are just focusing on omakase, bagel experiences or the amount of matcha bars and caffeine bars. What is your advice to people in this area of the industry. We totally agree with you that a lot of the restaurants we love going to, they’re part of large hospitality groups. But for those coming up with their solo locations or a handful of locations – in many cases it has super limited seating and take and go concepts. What are the things that they should be mindful of when they’re looking at their business regardless of what their curated menu offerings are?

CHEF AL: Well you know it’s really interesting? I think a lot of them from what I’ve seen right it’s what we call in the restaurant industry Fast Casual.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: I mean they’ve eliminated their labor.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: So they’re actually coming from a very smart standpoint because they’re eliminating what most of us struggle with, which is like, we can’t have high labor and high food costs. You know what I mean? Like great if we live in a city where labor is, you know, and for the record, like when I say even high labor, I’m like, we have always paid way above minimum wage. Everything is just more expensive because of the way our Worker’s Compensation, our insurance – everything is just high.

So I think that these like PopUp Bagels in NY it’s so smart!

AM: I agree. Places like that, Leon’s Bagels. I just went to NY’s first caffeine shop, Street Blends which has quite a menu of inventive coffees and teas and they they have a few bites you can enjoy. As someone who loves tea, being able to have so many options when friends ask to go out for coffee is nice.

CHEF AL: Just so we’re clear, coffee bars, their margins are phenomenal!

Everyone has been fully programmed by Starbucks that $8 for a cup of coffee is the norm.

I mean there is only a very small percentage of people on the planet who don’t buy it. I mean, I bought a very expensive coffee maker from Williams-Sonoma. I have saved thousands of dollars a year. Thousands of dollars. And so it’s one of those things where it’s a very smart business model. It’s a very smart business model.

Who I’m worried about are literally the people that I’m talking to in the show. It’s the restaurants that are opening that only have 40 seats open for lunch and they are only built for lunch. And then they try to do dinner because they need to make more revenue in order to pay their rent. They just didn’t even realize the business structure to begin with. I went into the industry with 2 men who had opened other restaurants. They knew that they actually base everything off of the rent. That’s where it starts. So if you know, your rent is X, you need to be able to make that in this many days in order to make that in this many days, you know, it’s just math a problem.

AM: Yeah. It’s working backwards.

CHEF AL: Yeah.

AM: In a few weeks, you also have another show that you’re going to be on with Bobby Flay called The Line. Is there anything you can share abou the show as we know it also premieres on Food Network Sep 8th at 9pm ET. The format of this show is another one that seems like it’s such a great concept that hasn’t been out there as well.

CHEF AL: It is a phenomenal concept. Like when he called me to do this and, you know, we worked together on BBQ Brawl. So we really got to spend some time together. Bobby is someone who loves people who are like real industry people. He loves people who are still in it because that man eats, sleeps, and breathes the restaurant industry! As big as he’s gotten, he’s still someone who wants to be in his restaurants. It’s a real thing and so he came up with a concept. I don’t think it’s anything I can’t talk about because they already announced it on Variety and People.

Well, it’s essentially, we are a team (Editor’s Note: the home team consists of Bobby Flay, Antonia Lofaso, Michael Jenkins, and Claudette Zepeda. Visiting teams will include Marcus Samuelsson & Fariyal Abdullahi representing Hav & Mar for the series premiere, Leah Cohen of Pig and Khao will be another week, and Spike Mendelsohn of Good Stuff Eatery will be there to name a few in this competition show). So he basically is our team captain and we take on week after week, brand new restaurant teams. So restaurants come in with their team and we cook their food. Wow. And mind you, it is very difficult because I ran the gamut. One week it’s Middle Eastern, the next week it’s classic seafood - and for the record that’s all production gives us! Obviously because it’s the production, we have to be able to plan our menu and to have the ingredients in house.

They’ll be like, this week you’re going to do Middle Eastern. The next day you’re going to do Costa Rican. The next week you’re going to do brunch. The next week you’re going to do a birthday. So that’s all we know. We don’t know who we’re going against. We don’t know. It’s a very short time frame for prep and then it’s a service. And we have people who come in and they don’t know who’s cooking back there. They eat us afterwards.

AM: Oh, my God!

CHEF AL: Yeah and literally the dishes go out in real time as people order them like it would in a restaurant.

And, you know, there’s smaller tasting portions and they vote right then and there. They have their phones and they get on an app and they say 1 through 5 stars. And it’s all based on stars.

AM: Oh wow, ok can’t wait till that comes out. I always love that he has interesting twists to the way he presents shows and breaking formats that you think you know while sometimes coming out with something completely different. It just draws you in.

CHEF AL: Yeah he does. This is a totally new show that you have never seen before. Like people, of course, as soon as they, you know, as soon as they announced it, they were like, this is like Hell’s Kitchen. I was like, this is not like Hell’s Kitchen.

AM: No, it’s not like Hell’s Kitchen. Yeah, those are very different.

CHEF AL: We are a team and other restaurant

teams come in to take us on.

AM: Wow.

CHEF AL: We don’t know who’s dining out there. We have the same information that they have. And essentially the only real up that we have is the fact that we’re familiar with the kitchen because we’re in that kitchen all day long. The visiting team usually has people who are coming in that have never been on television before and have never really competed before. So their nerves get the best of them or whatever it is. That’s literally the only upside that we have. But we are competing against what they do on a regular basis in their restaurants day after day, night after night.

AM: That is crazy. We have the Food Network NYC Wine Food Festival coming up in October. We interviewed you for a few minutes back in 2024 when you were here. You’re coming back this year. Why do you love participating?

CHEF AL: Well, I love doing New York. New York is my hometown. Even though I’ve been in LA for my whole life, like my whole family is from Long Island and they drive out. And for the record, they don’t even want to go to my events.

AM: Ha – oh no!

CHEF AL: They’re like, can we meet Bobby Flay? Can we meet Alex Guarnaschelli? I was like, sure, by all means, here’s your tickets.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: So that’s one of the reasons. I love New York. You know, I love the New York food scene. I love being able to cook. You know, this year I’m cooking with Marc Forgione and Michael Symon. Last year I got to cook with Alex Guarnaschelli, but the year before that, I got to cook at Delmonico’s.

AM: Oh yeah!

CHEF AL: Which is iconic and it was myself and Ayesha Nurdjaja who we are very good friends! So we cooked at Delmonico’s in the basement.

AM: Wow!

CHEF AL: So the basement, are you ready for this? The basement held the very first luncheon by a group of women in New York City that was a Ladies Who Lunch event. It was a coalition in New York that it was the very first luncheon that they were allowed to eat in without male attendees or male escorts.

AM: Wait, stop! What? Wow.

CHEF AL: So here you have 2 females coming out to do this entire dinner in\ the same exact room that 80 years ago women who were not allowed to eat alone without a male escort!

AM: Which is crazy!

CHEF AL: Right! First lunch you know, in the same room.

AM: Wow.

CHEF AL: So think about the energy and the soul that was in that room.

AM: That’s pretty amazing and really crazy at the same time!

CHEF AL: New York, Philly, and Boston – you know, those are really the first cities that would be able to have that kind of history to them!

AM: Oh yeah!

CHEF AL: So any chance I get to go to New York and do that I’m just like all in!

AM: How do you navigate between your shows, owning 3 restaurants, doing food festivals, and all of these different things? How do you balance all of that you know because it’s a full schedule.

CHEF AL: It is a lot and I have wonderful teams in my restaurants that I have grown over the course of the last 16 years.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: They weren’t built all at once. You know, they were built, with 4 year gaps in between them. Opened all of them. I curated the entire line. I started the culture. I have the chefs. I’ve trained them and all of them are so loyal and so dedicated. The other part to it, right, is they’re loyal and dedicated, but also they’re inspired. So many times in restaurants, these young kids these days, they want to jump from restaurant to restaurant because they get bored. They’re like, we’re going to make that chicken parm again. I was like, listen, chicken parm is what keeps us in business. You guys better learn that now. But they get to travel with me.

I have a chef here right now in San Diego who’s doing an event with me here at the Waldorf Astoria. He gets 4 days out here in San Diego to do events. They get to learn. He’s been with me to Mexico, the Dominican Republic, New York, Florida, and they get to go all over. They bring their families with them and they get to do things in larger format and they get to test their skills. So they always constantly feel like they’re growing. So they go back to the restaurant with that same enthusiasm. And again, I do think it has everything to do with the teams.

A lot of this stuff, I got busier later. The foundation of those restaurants were already established. I didn’t grow faster than I could or should. I did it at a pace that kept everything very controlled, if that makes sense.

AM: No, 100%.

CHEF AL: Now, mind you, every single day, I’m like, this is the day the whole thing blows up and I’ll be like, you know, on unemployment. I wake up every morning with that. I built the foundation strong. And so it feels like it’s working.

AM: After doing our cover photoshoot with you, we know you’re a golf girly and that you love golf.

CHEF AL: I love it so much!

AM: How did you come to this sport and why do you love it so much? And that golf course you have at your home, that’s literal chef’s kiss!

CHEF AL: So do you golf?

AM: I do golf. I’ve golfed ever since I was six. Now, I am not great. But my dad who taught himself how to play in college and who played every weekend that I remember growing up was like, look, you need to learn golf. You need to learn tennis.

CHEF AL: It’s my favorite. I am someone who has found exercise and wellness through a lot of necessity. I’m like, if I’m going to continue with this schedule, I need to take care of myself. So I work out. I have a trainer. I do sauna. I do ice. And for the longest period of time, I was always like, that’s my hobby, right?

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: And then what I’ve learned is that’s not a hobby. That’s just actually maintenance.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AL: And I didn’t really have a true hobby. Mine was a little different. My dad actually played golf. My brothers played golf. And I was the girl who wasn’t allowed to golf with them.

AM: Oh, okay.

CHEF AL: Believe me, I like to throw it in my dad’s face too.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: I play better than all 3 of them now.

AM: Okay, now!

CHEF AL: It was one of those things where he’s like, these are my boys. I’m gonna teach them how to golf.

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AL: He was like you could stay home and have potato chips and hang out with your mom. So I always made this joke about how my dad never taught me how to play.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: When I met my now boyfriend – the first thing he asked me when we first started dating, he was like, “hey, do you golf?” I was like, no, but I’ve actually always wanted to learn. Now, mind you, first time I ever played golf, I was asked to participate at Pebble Beach Food and Wine.

AM: Oh, no!

CHEF AL: I’m always thrown into things. I’m at a golf tournament right now at the Waldorf Astoria in San Diego. They’re like, you want to play? I was like, I can’t play this weekend.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: I was always around it at the greatest golf courses all over the country and I didn’t know how to play and, and had never learned. And so he’s like, well, if you want to, I’d love to teach you. And I was just like, well, that doesn’t sound like a good idea.

AM: Right.

CHEF AL: But I went along with it. At the time I was still a drinker and I was like, oh my God, this is so fun. You go out, you get to wear these cute outfits. You’re in the sun. You have like a spritz while you’re outside. Something you get to do with a whole bunch of people that you like. Then I started hitting really well!

AM: That’s what gets you sucked in!

CHEF LA: Dude! One good ball and this is when my boyfriend likes to joke! He goes, “this is when I knew you took it seriously. It’s when you stopped drinking on the golf course and you hired a coach.” I wanted to learn how to do this better. And I learned how to do it better. And I have a putting green. And when I’m home in Las Vegas, we play like 4 times a week.

AM: Wow. I love it.

CHEF AL: The other part too is I walk the course. So he drives and I take my clubs and I take what I need and I kind of just meet him there. And that’s basically it. That’s essentially how the golf bug started and you know it! The golf bug gets you!

AM: Once you get it, it just becomes a thing. We had Dustin Johnson as our cover earlier this year which was so fun and was on our list for awhile. I love anytime I meet other golf girlies because it’s such a good sport and it’s so fun!

CHEF AL: Yes! It’s so funny because I’m that woman who walk into a pro shop and I tell them that they have nothing for women! My boyfriend is like, “Antonia stop it,” and I go, “babe. I’d like for you to understand when I walk out here. How many other women do you see?” He’s like not many. I asked him to imagine that he plays a sport 4 times a week that he is surrounded by women 98% of the time and that it is something that only women played. How would you feel about it? He said, “I’ve never thought about that.” I was like, of course you haven’t. And I don’t expect you to. However, this is the reality. The reality is if I walk into a pro shop and I’m like, hey, “I’d love to buy a cute shirt too because I’m now here, my section looks like a sale rack.” Do you know what I mean? And your section takes over the entirety of the place you know.

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THE SPICE OF LIFE | CHEF MANEET CHAUHAN

When it comes to seeing our favorite chefs in an array of culinary shows, we always enjoy seeing Chef Maneet Chauhan as she is passionate about her food, always dresses the part, and has an array of restaurants on our list when we head to Nashville!

We took the time to sit down with Chef Maneet to find out about her culinary background, the first dish she created, her Morph Hospitality Group, how she approaches adding more restaurants to her portfolio, being a TV personality, her work on Food Network and more!

ATHLEISURE MAG: What was the dish that made you realize that you loved food?

CHEF MANEET CHAUHAN: It’s called aloo paratha. It is a potato-stuffed flat bread, cooked in ghee until it's crispy and served with homemade butter. My mom made it for me when I was young, and it was love at first bite.

AM: What was the first dish that you remember cooking?

CHEF MC: Matar paneer. It's Indian cottage cheese cubes in a spiced curry with green peas. I was in 7th grade and cooked dinner for my parents.

AM: When did you realize that you wanted to be a chef?

CHEF MC: I was in 9th grade and my older sister was completing her undergrad. I used to meet her on campus and bring food with me. I then figured out I was the most popular kid on campus. That's when I realized this is what I want to do for the rest of my life.

AM: Tell us about your culinary journey in terms of where you trained and kitchens you worked in prior to opening your Nashville restaurant.

CHEF MC: I did my undergrad in India at Welcomgroup Graduate School of Hotel Administration (WGSHA) and then came to America to study at The Culinary Institute of America. I worked at restaurants in Philadelphia, Cherry Hill, Chicago and New York before opening my own business.

AM: How would you define your style of cooking?

CHEF MC: I consider my style of cooking to be global with a foundation of Indian flavors and techniques.

AM: What led to you opening Chauhan Ale and Masala House and why did you want to open this in Nashville?

CHEF MC: Nashville has such an incredible audience and such a diverse flavor palette that I really wanted to do something that had not been done before here. Chauhan Ale and Masala House is my love letter to Indian cuisine and Nashville - it's Indian food served with a southern flair.

AM: Tell us about what we can expect from this restaurant in terms of the cuisine and ambiance?

CHEF MC: It's a really fun restaurant and encompasses both traditional and modern India, with a very healthy dose of the South. That's in terms of both the decor and the food. There is a lot of fun and whimsy in the menu and in the space.

AM: Since opening Chauhan Ale you have the Morph Hospitality Group- can you tell us about each of the eateries?

CHEF MC: There is Chauhan Ale and Masala House, which is modern Indian mixed with a southern flair, The Mockingbird which is Americano with a retro vibe to it and then eet is fast casual in Disney Springs.

AM: Tell us more about eet by Maneet Chauhan is at Disney Springs in Orlando, Florida.

CHEF MC: eet shows the best flavors of Indian in a very approachable manner, so think chicken tikka masala pizza.

AM: How do you go about deciding what restaurant to open where?

CHEF MC: I think it’s a combination. First is learning what we'll need for a space, second is figuring out if we have the right talent and third is determining what we are passionate about. If we are passionate about a particular concept or a particular idea, then that’s what we stick to.

AM: In addition to being a restaurateur, you are a best selling cookbook author with your first book Flavors of My World: A Culinary Tour Through 25 Countries, followed by The Journey, and more recently in 2020 Chaat - why has it been important for you to share your culinary point of view in this medium?

CHEF MC: I think being a chef is a lot like storytelling. You tell a story on a plate of food, and it’s the same story that I want to tell people through words and written medium. It's just a visual treat, for example the photos for Chaat we took in India. I like creating that excitement for people.

AM: What is the creation process for you with your cookbooks and are there plans for releasing another?

CHEF MC: There’s always plans for more! With cookbooks it truly is a group effort. I work with an editor and a co-author and they help give the book direction, because I have a lot of ideas!

AM: For years, we have enjoyed seeing you on Food Network whether you are a guest judge, competing, or hosting your shows! What led to you adding TV Judge/Host to your portfolio?

CHEF MC: It wasn’t something that I set out to do, but I got the opportunity then realized how much I enjoyed it. That's why I do it. I love to connect with people through the medium of television.

AM: When you're judging, what's your approach or formula when you are considering a dish or is there a competitor that sticks out to you?

CHEF MC: I think for me it has to be a combination of everything – the competitor has to show the right technique, develop flavor and show who they are and their culinary point of view on the plate. Those are the things I look for when I’m judging.

AM: You're the only 2X winner of Guy Fieri's Tournament of Champions, what does that mean to you?

CHEF MC: It means that lightning can strike the same place twice! I’m very proud of it. It seems like a validation for my entire life of working hard and putting my heart and soul into what I do. It was a very surreal moment and I’m very grateful that it's proven I've chosen the right career!

AM: When you were competing in this show, was there a chef that you looked forward to going up against?

CHEF MC: I have realized the toughest person I can go up against is me myself.

AM: Everytime that we see you on air, we always enjoy seeing your accessories as well as your ensemble as a whole, clearly you have an interest in fashion - will we ever see you create a line or collaborate with someone?

CHEF MC: If I get the opportunity, why not!

AM: You have had a number of accolades from being a James Beard Award winner, breaking glass ceilings throughout your career, and being about presenting your point of view through cooking, what does it mean to you?

CHEF MC: Each and every time that I get an accolade it builds my confidence in who I am as a person, and it also pushes me to do much better. It's validation I was meant to do this.

AM: How do you balance having a successful career while also having a family and being a mother?

CHEF MC: Balance is a myth. You just make the best of whatever you are doing.

AM: Are there any projects that we should keep an eye out for that you would like to share?

CHEF MC: Just keep an eye out!

AM: We like asking our favorite chefs about their 9CH3FS ROUTIN3S that highlights 3 key things that you must have, do, and enjoy for your Mornings, Afternoons, and Night as a chef.

CHEF MC: That’s a tough question because every day is a very different day for me. My morning ritual after I get up is I have my chai, and then I take a few minutes just to figure out what my day will be like and how I want to conquer it. What I love about my life is no two days are the same. If I’m filming it’s a different day than if I'm home.

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FAITH, FAMILY, FOOD CHEF AARTI SEQUEIRA

This month, We're making the transition from the Summer to the Fall. We're thinking about all the things that this season is perfect for from still being able to enjoy being outdoors with a few layers, the crispness that begins to encompass the air, a number of fun festivals, apple/pumpkin picking, and so much more! The last few months have involved being out and about with friends and family, and of course the upcoming holiday season.

This sense of community and coming together with food is something that Chef Aarti Sequeira embodies. We've had the pleasure of interviewing her in our NOV ISSUE #71 a few years ago when her My Family Recipe Journal was released. At that time we talked about how she came to food, being a chef, Food Network's Halloween Wars, and more.

This month, we caught up with her to talk about her latest cookbook that came out last year - UNWIND: A Devotional Cookbook For The Harried and Hungry, food festivals that she is participated in and why she likes being involved, hosting Halloween Wars, why she likes being part of the Food Network family and more!

ATHLEISURE MAG: It was so great chatting with you a few years ago where we talked about how you got into food, your food journey and everything that led up to the Family Recipe Journal that you dropped as at that time, you were a few days out from dropping that book!

So before we talk about things that have gone on since that book and things that are coming up, we’d love to know if you remember the dish that you had that made you first fall in love with food?

CHEF AARTI SEQUEIRA: Oh wow! I mean, I don't remember doing this because I was just a baby but my mum, my most vivid memory of me with food is that she would be making dinner and she would just you know pick me up and put me on the counter next to her chopping board and she would just be slicing onions, garlic and ginger and she'd look away for a second. And you know, with my little like you know how babies don't have like knuckles, right?

AM: Right!

CHEF AS: They just have dimples. It’s just those teeny, tiny dimples in a fist and I'd grab the onions and I was just shoving them in my mouth!

AM: Oh!

CHEF AS: She couldn't, she couldn't believe it and I liked it! It’s ironic because I hate raw onions now.

AM: Right!

CHEF AS: But I loved it back then, and I think that, you know, just from then on that the kitchen is just always where I've wanted to be and there's always been food in my mouth haha.

AM: Which is a good thing! I feel like if people were less hangry, that things might be better!

CHEF AS: Well that is true!

AM: Well, when we last chatted you were like a couple of days out actually from the My Family Recipe Journal, but since that conversation in talking with you, you also have released UNWIND: A Devotional Cookbook For The Harried and Hungry. Can you tell us a bit about the book, why you wanted to create it, and what can we expect when we're reading this?

CHEF AS: Yeah, I really created it for people like me and maybe people who are not like me, but anyone who experiences that sort of 4:30pm/5:30pm salt in the wound?

AM: Yes!

CHEF AS: You’ve had a full day and you've been all things to all people and then you’re like, “and now I’ve got to make dinner?”

AM: Right!

CHEF AS: Are you kidding? And it feels you know, it’s the last thing usually between you and bed.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: Haha or you and crappy television, you know what I mean?

AM: Exactly!

CHEF AS: It’s the last hump that you have to get over. And I just found myself taking this thing that had once been my joy and once been my Sanctuary and starting to resent. It was like I started to phone it in and that's not right because you know, I have children now!

AM: Right!

CHEF AS: I didn't want to be giving them or serving them resentment at the dinner table.

AM: Of course!

CHEF AS: So, one of the things that I remembered is that there was this woman that owned an Indian grocery store in LA. and when I had to talked to her about cooking, she had mentioned that she had always prayed before she cooked and that was such a light bulb moment for me! She's Hindu, and I'm Christian. and I just remember going, well if she's doing it - why am I not doing it, you know?

AM: Mmm

CHEF AS: So I did start praying before I cooked and I just found that it opened up a passageway, like a spiritual passageway that took this very mundane chore. This thing that I resented and helped me see it as a moment of sacred connection and it redeemed it, right? And what I found was that in what started off like, "oh Lord, please let this dish turn out right or okay,” you know what I mean? Or let the kids like it or not have anything fall on floor – turned into…

“You know, one of the reasons I'm really upset right now, Jesus is that I'm really feeling discouraged that I didn't get that job that I wanted.”

AM: Right.

CHEF AS: Or, “I'm really scared about this thing that's happening in my family or any number of things.” And so, while I was cooking, that's when that conversation was happening. And I found that there was so much healing.

AM: Yup.

CHEF AS: That healing that was happening through that whole process was amazing. And I was like, well, if it works for me, I would like to be the sort of guide that says, “hey guys, this can work for you too.” This can be a moment, a half hour, 45 minutes in the day, where okay, maybe you didn't have your quiet time today, or maybe you did, and you need another one. This can be It. And I think the lesson that I learned from that is that, you mentioned it! You know, so often when we're walking into the kitchen at that hour, we are tired and we are hungry and we are hangry. And that's when quite often we are in that space. So, if we can get into the practice of turning our eyes towards heaven, when we are at our worst in the kitchen, then we will do that when we are at our worst in the car, in a meeting, doing laundry, talking to someone that's very triggering.

AM: Oh yes!

CHEF AS: All of this stuff, it just builds up muscle in us. So, I now have learned after that experience and after writing UNWIND that how you show up in the kitchen and how you come out of that kitchen, is great practice for how you show up and leave every situation in your life.

AM: That really resonates because a lot of times when there's projects being worked on whether it's a series of business meetings or calls I need to make I'll do a prayer before.

CHEF AS: Yes!

AM: It could be a project or anything I’m doing where I need that reset, it allows my mind to take a pause a beat and then to almost get closer to certain things that maybe have nothing to do with what's going on. But you're able to kind of like categorize it and you just come out a lot better of a person versus me just running out and being like argh!!!

CHEF AS: It is good to sort of slow down. You know, I think a lot of people say, get present. And for me, getting present with myself is just not enough because myself is the problem. So I need to get present with God. That is the one that's going to pull me out of myself and actually fix it.

AM: That's true. That's very true. And, you know, do you find that, because I find that the books that you've done, it is so personal because you are talking about, you know, getting in touch with yourself, getting in touch with God, getting into a better place. Is it is it more difficult to have these books that have a cookbook component as well as this other inspirational component too? Do you feel the process in writing it is longer? Do you feel that you get, you know what I mean - like, because you're doing two different components putting it together. It's beautiful, and seamless, but I know a lot of times if I'm writing something that comes from more of a personal place in my heart, I'm gonna grapple with that for like 80 more hours.

CHEF AS: Yeah, 100%. I mean, I think writing a cookbook is a much more difficult process than I imagined. I think before I kind of got into this world, I was like, oh, well, you know, you just write your recipes and blah blah.

AM: Right!

CHEF AS: But then once it becomes your way of life, at least for me, you know, I'm super critical.

AM: Yeah, same.

CHEF AS: Super critical of myself and so I'm questioning every instinct, every idea, every finished product. Wondering if it's good enough, wondering, if I've written it well, wondering - you know saying the worst things to myself. And so, then couple that with trying to be an ambassador for God.

AM: Right.

CHEF AS: There is always like, there is so much room for failure. I did find it to be a really, really difficult process. We also did it so quickly. We did the whole thing in about 6 or 7 months.

AM: Whoa!

CHEF AS: You know, most people take like a year or 2 years because, you know, some of the people that I'm seeing putting cookbooks out, they're like, “you know, this has been the past 2 or 3 years of my life,” and I'm like, oh my God! You know, I don't know what's worse. Like I don't know if it's worse to live with something for 3 years and live with that kind of pressure for three years.

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AS: Am I a marathon runner or am I a sprinter? I think I've always been a sprinter.

AM: Yup.

CHEF AS: So I think that God kind of knew, you know, what kind of project it needed to be for me. But yeah, I mean, I think I even posted on my social media about how difficult it was that like the process of creativity was not like - was not like a scene from Ratatouille and it has never been for me. It's never been - it's very rarely a moment of like the muse, you know, and going to bed where it’s saying, “hey, why don't you pull tamarind and ginger together and build ribs,” like it’s very rare that that happens. A lot of it is full on. It feels like you're working out, you are throwing weights around picking them back up again, throwing them down again that was the process for me and getting to write that book meant that I had to employ 2 very different parts of my brain and try to make them make sense. But it was also a great challenge, like, I really enjoyed it and I sort of felt like this idea for me felt like a download from heaven and so I was like at this moment in time, I'm the only person that is doing this. So I have to believe that I am also being totally equipped to do it. I have to thank my husband who helped me so much because he loves words and he loves the Bible and so it's really helpful to have him at my side literally for some of them like writing portions of it and then me being able to then put it in my own words. He was like such a such a rock to me.

AM: That's amazing!

Are you already thinking about that next cookbook? I mean, you've already done, you know, these last two. I mean, I know you had one before obviously, but you know, that's so quick between the recipe book. Now it's UNWIND! Is there something in the future that you're kind of sketching out?

CHEF AS: I don't know, you know, I think cookbooks are so hard because frankly there are just so many of them and it's hard to capture people's attention in between. I mean, I'd love to write another one, but I think I also would like some time to really fine tune you know, where is my cooking at this point? What is it that excites me. And what you know? I just feel a little bit all over the place because my career has really, has really taken off it feels like this year.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: I’m traveling, so much of that. I'm probably cooking for other people more than I'm cooking for my family.

AM: Wow.

CHEF AS: And yeah. And so, I want to get back to cooking for my family because I feel like that's like truly the essence of who I am or who I want to be. And so, I'm open to it, of course, and I'm open to even doing another one because I, I do think that I'm proud of it. I really, I'm really proud of it. And even, you know, and every time, just even the other day, someone sent me a photo of one of the recipes that they made and the fact that they were doing it in their small group and they were going through the devotions together. I mean, it just is like so meaningful to me more meaningful than anything else I've worked on, because yes, they're making the recipes, but they're also reading the words that I wrote and reflecting and when I read the words that I wrote, I'm so very convinced that I was not the one that was writing them because I don't recognize it!

AM: Haha right!

CHEF AS: You know, I'm a little nervous to go through that whole process again because, frankly, it was really rough. But when I look at it and I look at the fruit of it, I'm like, well, I mean, hi, I get to partner with God again and that’s kind of amazing.

AM: One thing I love when I'm looking at your IG, I love your Monday Motivations. I think they're so amazing.

CHEF AS: Oh thank you!

AM: And as we are dropping on Monday, do you have a Monday Motivation for us that we can share with our readers?

CHEF AS: Ooo. What have I been toggling in my mind? I think the message that I feel like keeps coming up is - if God is knocking on the door, he's kind of yelling through the door at you.

AM: Ha! I feel that one!

CHEF AS: Which is kind of, “are you more interested in what I can do through you or are you more interested in spending time with Me?”

AM: Ooo ...

CHEF AS: Because I have to say, I took inspiration from someone who posted it online - that concept, at least. But I have been feeling it -

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: You know what I mean?

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: The first one is about me.

AM: Yup.

CHEF AS: And the second one is about God.

AM: It's about Him. Yeah, you gave me goosebumps because I yeah, I thought about something very similar to that, a couple months ago, and I was like, well am I really trying to do that because I want to amplify Him or am I trying to do it so I can boost myself up? Like wow, yeah.

CHEF AS: Yeah, it hurts. So I did not like it.

AM: 100%

CHEF AS: When I saw it on IG and I still don't, but I think that's the point. I think that it's –

AM: It’s uncomfortable -

CHEF AS: It’s uncomfortable and I think those of us who are sort of our own turbines, who are in that sort of entrepreneurial space, it becomes a lot about me and what can I do? What can I accomplish and what's the next thing to build? How do I build on what I've already built? All that stuff and so then we try to kind of loop God into it saying, “you know use me for whatever it is that you want,” but you know intrinsically, we're like yeah we want to get some action, right?

AM: Right.

CHEF AS: You want to rustle up some action. And I think, especially for me, like I'm not really good at sitting very quietly.

AM: Same

CHEF AS: Or sitting in a posture of listening or just being or just any of those things.

AM: It's a good reminder.

CHEF AS: Yeah, that would be my Monday Motivation is just go sit and do nothing for a minute.

AM: Yeah, wow. Yeah.

CHEF AS: Haha I know!

AM: Well, you are always traveling! You were just on an amazing trip in Peru with some of our faves who have previously been in our issues - Chef Duff Goldman, Chef Fariyal Abdullahi who was our AUG ISSUE #104 cover, and Chef Marcel Vigneron. I love an immersive trip and it seemed like you guys got to combine your culinary knowledge along with those that were indigenous to the area and people, as well as to be part of some amazing cultural activities!

Right now your IG has a number of food festivals you’ve been at as well as those that are coming up! We are looking forward to the Food Network NYC Wine Food Festival that takes place mid Oct. and I know that you’re not involved in that one, but Iove being able to go to festivals like this. What do you love about participating in food festival and can you tell me more about the Del Mar Wine + Food Festival that is next month? I mean that Spice Girls Dinner seems pretty amazing.

CHEF AS: Yeah, food festivals are so fun because it's sort of like, you know, that everybody there is one of you, you know what I mean?

AM: Yup!

CHEF AS: Like, these are people that love food and love food television and love to celebrate and love to gather!

AM: Yes!

CHEF AS: The Gathering thing to me has really been feeling more and more important. I think because we have so many years of not gathering.

AM: Yeah that was tough!

CHEF AS: I heard once I was listening to a podcast and I'm not saying I've ever read Alexis de Tocqueville, but I guess when he visited America he was like, “the thing that's very interesting about Americans is that they love to gather.”

AM: Facts!

CHEF AS: They will find any reason to gather and so when we weren't gathering, it was like one of the most un-American things that we could have done.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: So I think that's one of the things that I have come to really appreciate about food festivals is we're all together. We're breaking bread, we're maybe having a couple cocktails.

AM: Yes!

CHEF AS: You sort of feel like, this is who we are. This is the essence of our humanity, the essence of our identity as a people, you know? It's a very unifying moment. I think, especially for people who are creating content, whether it's, you know, on traditional streams, or on social media streams, or YouTube or whatever it is, you know, it kind of goes out into the ether and even if you get likes, yes, you get some sort of feedback, but to see the actual faces! To sort of interact with the actual spirits of people who were like, “I saw when you did that thing.” Oh, it feels real and it feels really gratifying in that moment, selfishly. And it feels very encouraging, honestly - to say, okay, I'm on the right path, I'm going to keep going because it can feel like a very isolating experience.

You know, basically, like I remember when Twitter came along we were all like, oh, doesn't it sort of feel like there's one million people and each of them has a megaphone and they're all yelling? So no one's listening to each other and so sometimes things like food festivals can be so gratifying because here are the people that have been listening!

AM: 100%

CHEF AS: You can see, you can then engage like, oh this is what touches people. And this is what people find necessary. And this is what sort of they find unique about when they come to my corner of IG and it can help sort of fine tune your voice.

AM: Exactly!

Tell me about the Spice Girls Dinner at the Del Mar Food Festival!

CHEF AS: Yeah, I'm excited about Del Mar because not only because it's a very beautiful food festival, this whole thing was spearheaded by Troy Johnson and his wife, Claire Johnson and you know I've known Troy forever for like decades through Guy's Grocery Games.

AM: Ok!

CHEF AS: No, no it’s not been that long! So this is the, you know, they already have babies, but this is another baby of theirs. They're really putting their money where their mouths are and trying to encourage the same thing, the sense of community and gathering, and celebration, and celebrating chefs who are, you know, taking risks in the kitchen and so, I'm really excited to go see people, but also support people who are risking it all you know.

AM: Wow.

CHEF AS: Like Troy and Claire, I think our dinner is going to be so interesting because I love Claudia Sandoval (winner of MasterChef S6, Judge on MasterChef Latinos, Host of Taste of the Border on Discovery+). I love the way she cooks. She has a really strong connection to where she comes from and in a way that I love because she sometimes will take the humblest of dishes, like, her grandmother's beans and she won't change it all that much. She will present it just like that because she's like they're actually good enough. That's very inspiring to me because there's, you know, a lot of the food that we all grew up with, it's not restaurant food.

AM: Correct.

CHEF AS: It's home food. I'm trying to figure out a way to gussy that up so that it looks pretty in an Instagram photo sometimes can feel very difficult!

AM: Daunting, yeah.

CHEF AS: So I I think that it's, I think it's really, it's been very inspiring to me to go, no, the dal, just the way it is. The dal just the way I grew up with is enough and good enough! So, I'm really excited to see where our spice palettes cross over, compliment each other, and contrast with each other. I think it's going to be a really fun dinner and I'm really excited also for the wine pairing because Neeta Mittal, owner of LXV Wines - she's Indian and so she's got a particular palette when she's looking at wines because she's going well, what wine will play well, with these spices - will amplify them and vice versa. So, I think it's gonna be a really interesting unique dinner in that way.

I'm relatively new to this circuit you know, compared to some people that have been doing it for a while and so you're only honestly, you're only as good as the organizers of the festival. It is such a beast to organize these things. There's always something that you didn't think about.

AM: Right, for sure.

CHEF AS: So that's a huge factor to me! I want to be at a festival where we’re all you know, you do your job, I do my job, but we do our job so that we can support each other and make each other look good. That's, you know, that's one of the big things.

AM: That's amazing.

CHEF AS: I love going to festivals where there's a lot of great food on display, you know, especially a lot of adventurous food because I'm like, oh, the people that are going to show up here are going to be willing to try things that, you know, they've maybe never tried before.

I just did the Ilani Wine and Food Festival at the Ilani Resort just outside of Portland. That one was so amazing because even though you know this festival's been going on forever, I made these Jackfruit Sliders with a date barbecue sauce. That was a two for two in terms of things that people haven't tried before. People were so willing like, when you know, I remember someone came over and they were like, “your pulled pork was amazing.” I was like, “that was jackfruit!” So I love going to festivals where I can bring something that someone hasn't had before. Not just for the the purpose of maybe trying something new but, then also that people go home and they're like, I'm going to buy that and I'm gonna work that into my meal plan, or whatever it is. You know, that's just like I want to be of service, and that's really helpful but I love festivals like that where I can be of service.

AM: I think that that’s amazing. And I saw those pictures of the Jackfruit Sliders. And I was just like, whoa, I've had jackfruit but never thought about barbecue sauce and dates – but ok!

CHEF AS: Yeah, well, you know, I had the barbecue sauce ready to go. I had that idea. I was just trying to think because I didn’t think that I was gonna have the time or the energy to like slow cook a ton of pork.

AM: Right.

CHEF AS: So then it was like, what about, you know, I think actually I was talking to Damaris Phillips (2013 winner of Food Network Star, Guy’s Grocery Games Judge, author of Southern Girl Meets Vegetarian Boy) about it and then we came up with that idea together, so that was super helpful.

AM: Love that! Ok, so Halloween Wars. I mean, first of all, I can't even believe that we're sitting in the fall.

CHEF AS: Yeah!

AM: It's rainy here in New York today and I'm like, wait, the holiday season is around the corner. I always know it's around the corner because I see the promos for Halloween Wars.

CHEF AS: Ha ha! I know! It’s all a long slippery slope from there!

AM: Yup! So what are you excited about for this season? I always look forward to the different things and I'm always amazed at how grotesque in the best way possible that some of the things end up being, I'm like, oh my God, who does that? I'm so scared! But at the same time, the baking capabilities and dedication to craft is next level when they’re on the clock!

CHEF AS: This season is so great because each of the teams is helmed by an All-Star. So each of these people have won before, they know what it feels like and they know what it takes. So, they’re kind of acting like team leaders to their teammates. There's a lot to, you know, you whenever you go into competition, you don't cook, carve, sculpt the way that you do –

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AS: At your bakery or at your place, you know? You've got to, you've got to do it in a way that is a work smarter not harder kind of mindset.

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: And yet, you're still going for perfection as possible. So that's why this season is so great because and that's why that from day one like the displays were already almost like finale level.

AM: Ooo.

CHEF AS: Perfect, right?

AM: Yeah -

CHEF AS: You had these people who are veterans informing the entire process. So that's what's so great about this season.

AM: That is so exciting!

Tyler Florence’s, The Great Food Truck Race is one of my favorite shows. So, seeing you on the finale, this last season, I was like, wait, there's Aarti!

CHEF AS: Ahhh. Yeah, the food was legitimately awesome! You know, sometimes it's like you know with competition you have a lot of grace because things are not gonna - you just don't have the same amount of time that you would at home or in a restaurant. So I was so impressed, every bite that I took, I was like this tastes completely dialed in. It was amazing. It was truly amazing.

AM: Well, are there any other shows coming up that we should keep an eye out for because I always love when I see you at, like, Tournament of Champions or you're on Guys Grocery Games. And I'm like, this lady is working.

CHEF AS: I'm trying to work. I am trying to work. I just got something and I don't think they've announced it yet.

AM: Okay.

CHEF AS: That's going to be super exciting!

AM: Amazing.

CHEF AS: Thank you! And then you know, all the usual like Grocery Games and all that kind of stuff is still coming down the pipe. Yeah, it's just always such a privilege to be part of the part of the family over at Food Network. Whenever we get to see people, you know, you get the sense that that Food Network is on all day.

AM: Exactly.

CHEF AS: For some people, you know what I mean? It's just very cool that even if I'm not currently shooting something and they turn it on, more than likely one of us is on there. You know? It feels really intimate to be in people's homes that way, and I think that that's how they feel about us, you know, based on the reactions we get. So it's really such a privilege.

AM: I love that and are there just any upcoming projects In general that you would like to share to get out there or or, you know, just things that you have going on?

CHEF AS: Yeah. I mean, one of the most exciting things that's coming up in the short term is that I'm expanding my line with QVC.

AM: That’s amazing!

CHEF AS: Yeah, really amazing! It's such a huge community to be able to dive into and QVC has been so generous and so sweet with me to sort of pull me into the fold and say, hey what do you think about doing this? And here are the kinds of things that our people love and how would you put your own spin on it. And so, you know, it's a select few people that get to do that and I was really hopeful when we started the line last year that we would get to do this, and It has expanded exponentially and some of the things that we've got in the line, I use on a daily basis. They're unbelievably good quality, you know, I really wanted to make sure that it would be something I would use and it's just really exciting, so I think that's going to launch at the end of October.

AM: Congratulations on the continued success of your line with them and I’ve seen the cute kitchenware!

That's so exciting. Yay!

CHEF AS: Yeah!

AM: I just love that every time I see you on shows, you just have such a love and zest for food, and like you're talking about community and people coming together! What do you want your legacy, you know, to be in terms of the imprint that you've left on all of these different things that you're doing and whatever ends up being in the future - that may not be happening at this moment?

CHEF AS: Gosh. Well, I mean, the most important thing to me obviously is my family, right? And just for my girls to know that I did the best I could to balance these two parts of my life. But that they were always way more important than anything else, you know, for them and my husband to know that.

But outside of the home, I guess that I want people when they think of me to think of someone – who really valued coming around a table. Like, I really think that there are so many things that are coming in to distract us from connection with each other, you know, phones and social media. And I know there's been a lot of discussion and study recently on, you know, the impact of phones on kids.

AM: Yes.

CHEF AS: And teenagers. And what that does to the family and I really think that something as simple as sitting around the table and having dinner as many nights as possible is one of the most powerful things that we can do to combat that. Like so that would be probably part of my legacy. Then the other part is that, so often when I'm competing and doing things like that, I'm doing stuff that I feel completely out of my depths doing.

AM: I feel that.

CHEF AS: I'm, you know, like just recently I got booked for a bunch of things and it made me so scared. I was like crying in a fetal position.

AM: Oh no!

CHEF AS: It was bad because I was like, I cannot do this. I don't know how I'm gonna fail like. That has no matter how many times I do it, it just feels like it's something that I'm constantly fighting and I don't think I'm the only one.

AM: Nope!

CHEF AS: So I suppose part of my legacy, I hope these are very big words. It's just that, I was loud about feeling unequipped to do things, but doing them anyway!

AM: Which is huge! I tell people all the time, I’m always in my head, mulling over things and nervous before I do something. Even if it's like a million times, whatever, because everything is a little bit different and you just, I don't know, it's a thing, but I was like, if I feel that shaky about it, I have to kind of tell myself that you feel shaky because you want to do so well, and you care so much about what it represents for myself and what it is for the other people involved. So I try to turn it, although I'll still sit there and be like, I gotta run to the bathroom. This is crazy, but in the end, it does end up being lovely.

CHEF AS: Yeah, I think that there's the sense of like, if it isn't going easily, then you must be doing something wrong or you must be in the wrong place. Yeah, you must have made the wrong decision and I think that as I mean I'm 46 now. So hopefully it'll stick this year …

AM: It hasn’t yet, but it’s tough.

CHEF AS: Yeah, hopefully, but you know for the first time this year, I was like, after I had my little fetal position breakdown. I was like wait. Why don't I ever say to myself, “yes, I don't know how to do these things. I feel completely out of my depth. But the second half of that is, I'll figure it out.”

AM: Yeah.

CHEF AS: Yeah, figure it out. Just saying that has started to change things where I'm like, okay, you know, it may not go smoothly and it may not go off without a hitch.

AM: Right.

CHEF AS: But, I will figure it out. You know what I mean? It doesn’t have to go perfectly. I'll land something out of there. And that has felt very empowering actually. I think that just saying that to ourselves can be very edifying.

AM: 100% I like that. I will try to remember that the next freakout that happens.

CHEF AS: I will figure it out!

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TRUE HOSPITALITY | CHEF MICHAEL VOLTAGGIO

We're really excited about this month's cover, Bravo's Top Chef Season 6 Winner, and Titan Judge on Food Network's Bobby's Triple Threat, Chef Michael Voltaggio. He also makes a number of guest judge appearances on Guy's Grocery Games as well as Beat Bobby Flay! When he's not on set, you can find him taking his dishes and experiences to the next level alongside his brother Chef Bryan Voltaggio whether it's at Voltaggio Brothers Steakhouse, Vulcania, Retro, Volt Burger and other projects! As someone who we have admired in terms of his culinary point of view, technique and keeping hospitality at the forefront of all that he does, we wanted to sit down with him to talk about how he got into the industry, where his passion comes from, how he has navigated the hospitality space, his approach to his concepts, working alongside family, Season 2 of Bobby's Triple Threat and how he has taken a number of opportunities to connect with guests and viewers as well as to stay sharp in and out of the kitchen!

ATHLEISURE MAG: So, when did you first fall in love with food?

CHEF MICHAEL VOLTAGGIO: Oh wow, I don’t think that I have ever been asked that!

AM: We ask the tough questions around here!

CHEF MV: I think that it happened around necessity. I would say that I first fell in love with it when I understood the creativity that went into it. Because, I was a very, very picky eater as a kid and when I got my first job cooking, I started to look at ingredients as a kid meaning that things like cauliflower for instance – I remember thinking to myself that if I could make this, in a way that I like it, then people who actually like cauliflower will love it. So for me, I started seeing how creativity could sort of, not only like give me a chance to artistically express myself, but also be a chance for me to maybe make ingredients more accessible for more people because it made the ingredients more accessible to me. So I think that realizing that the creative part was as important as the technical part, I think that was the moment that I fell in love with it.

I always knew that I wanted to do something creative, but up until I was 15 or 16 years old, which is when I started cooking, I wasn’t being creative yet. Like, I was playing sports in high school and I wasn’t the best student and I was sort of interested in a lot of things that were creative, but I didn’t have a creative discipline that I could focus on myself.

AM: What was the moment that you realized that you wanted to be a chef? Taking something that you just enjoyed and then making it as a professional.

CHEF MV: I mean, I think that it happened as sort of a default. Like, I was doing it to just sort of survive. I was one of those people that started cooking – because when I did it, it wasn’t like it was today where it was like, “oh, you’re going to be a chef!” It was more like, “yeah, I figured that you would end up in the food industry.” I sort of feel like I woke up and 25 years later, I still have the same job and I’m just like, “wow, how did this happen?” I’m in my profession prior to even graduating high school. My career has started already, but I didn’t know that at the time. What I didn’t realize at the time was that I was already on my path. I’ve loved food ever since I could remember like 4 years old and I have had this job since I was 15. Not many people can say that. I’m approaching 30 years of experience and I feel like I am just getting started.

I would say that my career, after my apprenticeship, that I did at The Greenbriar Hotel when I went there when I was 19 years old to start that program, that I really felt like that, “ok this is what I am going to be doing for at least a substantial amount of time.” I had never gotten to experience any form of luxury in my life at that point, either because I grew up sort of pretty humble or in humble surroundings I would say. When I got to work in luxury, I knew that not only did I want to do that because I wanted to take care of people at that level, but I knew that at some point in my life, I wanted to feel it myself as a guest. So I knew that the only way that I would be able to experience luxury is if I understood how to work in it at the highest level and then hopefully one day, get to sit down at the table for myself.

AM: I can understand that feeling!

How do you define your style of cooking?

CHEF MV: It’s weird because if you had asked me that question 10 years ago, I would have answered it differently than I would today. The reason being that I think that I have obviously matured a lot as a person, but more specifically in my professional career, I think that I have matured a lot in the sense that I don’t know if I have a style and I think that that is interesting about the way that I like to cook now. I’m really still obsessed with learning the things that I haven’t learned how to do yet. So for me, it usually starts with something that I want to learn and then I build something off of that, that I can then offer to my guests.

So, let’s say for instance that I want to study a specific cuisine, I’ll go and study that cuisine and then figure out how that fits into one of our restaurant concepts. Now that we have different concepts, it forces me to study different kinds of cuisine.

I would say that the style that we communicate in the restaurants on our menus is that we like to sort of under offer and over deliver. We like to write descriptions of menus that are familiar to people and that almost seems not that exciting so that we get that chance to sort of surprise them and wow them. I think that that’s oftentimes how we approach a lot of the things that we do is to sort of under offer and over deliver.

AM: I really like that.

Who are your culinary influences?

CHEF MV: Wow, that is a tough one because I mean, I would say the one culinary influence that I have had in my career and this is a direct influence, because I have worked with him is, José Andrés (The Bazaar by José Andrés, Mercado Little Spain, Nubeluz). For someone that made me look at food completely differently, it would be him and I think that a lot of people who think of José, they think of the modern things that he has done in restaurants and that’s a big part of it, but when you talk to José, the thing that he is the most passionate about outside of feeding the world and helping people right now which is incredible, is actually the traditional food of Spain. Seeing him communicate to me that without a foundation like that, you can’t really do all this modern stuff because at the end of the day, the food has to be delicious. Learning that from him was probably a sort of pivotal moment in my career, because I was doing a lot of things then because I wanted to learn all of these modern techniques and I want to do all of these modern things. I think that often, people get caught up in the exercise of that and lose touch of the hospitality or the make it taste good aspect of it. I would think that I really settled into a level of confidence where I worked with him that would sort of influence me for the rest of my career.

AM: I first became aware of you on Season 6 of Bravo’s Top Chef. I’m a huge fan of that show and seeing you along with competing with your brother on the same season, what was that like for you and why did you want to be part of that show?

CHEF MV: So, when I went on Top Chef, this was sort of a moment in the industry where that was really the beginning of how you had the legends like Julia Child (Mastering the Art of French Cooking, The Way to Cook, The French Chef Cookbook), you had Emeril (Emeril’s, Emeril’s Coastal, Meril), you had Wolfgang (Spago, Wolfgang Puck Bar & Grill, CUT) and the list goes on and on – Yan Can Cook, Ming Tsai (Bābā, Mings Bings, Simply Ming) – they were cooking on television and the list goes on and on and on. They were a handful of real chefs that were cooking on TV and then there was sort of the entertainment side of it. I think that when Top Chef came out, I think that that was the first show or competition that was pulling chefs from kitchens that were really grinding and really after it and giving them a platform to sort of go out and come out from being those introverts in the back of house to like these big personalities!

So I think that when the opportunity came, I was like, I wonder if there is a bigger way to sort of bridge this gap between people that are actually chefs and people that are just sort of chefs on TV. Can we really tell this story in a bigger way and connect to a bigger audience and through that, grow the interest and the curiosity in a higher level of cooking or a different level. Whether it’s making people culturally more aware for those that are interested in cultural cuisine or demographics of cuisine or whatever it is, can you educate people by entertaining them? So I didn’t see it as, I want to be on TV and I think that there were certainly a few of those even on my season on Top Chef that were there for that reason. I signed up to do that competition because I really believed that I could win it. I think that some people get involved in programs like this not necessarily thinking that, “hey, I can really win this thing.” For me, I thought, “I could win this thing and this could create an opportunity.” I couldn’t predict what you’re seeing today where every chef at every level or cook for that matter is in some way trying to communicate what they do through some form of social media or entertainment. Back when I did Top Chef, it was like there was this line in the sand – these are the chefs, the real chefs and these are the ones that are on TV, but not everyone was doing television or some form of visual media to tell their story. Then you look at today and everyone is doing it. I think that the risk that I took was worth it, but I also wanted to learn a different kind of skill set, like I wanted to learn.

I think that I was doing this ad for I think Vitamix and I remember going up to the set and I had a teleprompter in the camera and I was reading my lines off the lens while doing my little demo and I was with the blender that came with it and it was like, “welcome to your new Vitamix.” They kept telling me, “Michael, we can see your eyes reading the words in the lens – we can see you doing it off the teleprompter. Can you try and memorize at least part of it?” Again, in that moment, I was like, ok if I’m going to do this, then I need to get good at it. By getting better at television or getting better at sort of some of these visual mediums, I felt that I was getting better at communicating with my guests too. I think that as somebody who works in hospitality, it started to pull another part of myself out that would allow me to want to communicate with my guests even more. I felt like that moment and all of it I can credit back to the opportunity that I had on Top Chef. I think that outside of the exposure, outside of the money, and outside of the study that I had to put into the food, I learned so much going through that process. Even I think as a company owner, how to better and more effectively communicate - I think that that is something that I was missing at that time of my life.

“I think that I have obviously matured a lot as a person, but more specifically in my professional career, I think that I have matured a lot in the sense that I don’t know if I have a style and I think that that is interesting about the way that I like to cook now. I’m really still obsessed with learning the things that I haven’t learned how to do yet. So for me, it usually starts with something that I want to learn and then I build something off of that, that I can then offer to my guests.”

— Chef Michael Voltaggio

AM: What was the moment that you realized that you wanted to open up your own restaurants as that’s such a big step!

CHEF MV: So I was in Pasadena and I was running a restaurant there called The Dining Room at The Langham. They were actually super supportive and that’s where I was when I won Top Chef. I had left The Bazaar and left José. I was working at this restaurant in Pasadena when this show started to air. They were super supportive and they were like, this is your project, this is your room. We’ll grow you here, you’ll grow something big with the hotel and all of that. In my head I was like, do I need to go and do this on my own before I can go and do this in somebody else’s environment?

So they were very supportive in saying, “hey, we’ll renovate a restaurant and conceptualize something around what your goals are.” I was like, “this is super incredible and I think that I would want to do that.” But then I got a phone call and somebody said that they had a restaurant space and they were interested in meeting me and investing in me. At that moment, I was like, “oh, it can happen that easy!” They had read and heard about some of my accomplishments and they genuinely wanted to invest in me. And so I was like, now I need to see if I can do this. So, I took the meeting, we negotiated the deal and this person, his name is Mike Ovitz he started CAA. I don’t know if you are familiar with them.

AM: Very much so!

CHEF MV: He basically said, “what do you need to open the restaurant?” I have the space. I said that, “I really wanted someone to get behind whatever vision I have because this is the first chance that I have to do this and I kind of want to figure out how to do this on my own. What I really just need is money.” He gave it to me. He got behind me, we were partners for over 7 years and we still remain friends to this day, and he was a really good partner in the sense that he was there, but he wasn’t in my face with expectations. He built his career as somebody who supported artists or somebody who supported creatives. As someone who supported creatives, I think he did just that. I think that as a restaurant partner, it was the best scenario that I could find myself in because this was a person that built his career supporting creatives. So then, the money was there and it was time to start opening the restaurant. As you can imagine, I had to learn everything. I had to learn the legal side of it, I had to learn the human resources side of it, I had to learn the accounting side of it – I had to learn how to become a president of a company – not just how to run a menu. That’s the part that I hadn’t realized that I had signed up for at that time. You don’t know all of the nuance of starting a business until you start a business and then it’s, wait a second, I have 10 full-time jobs now!

AM: Pretty much!

CHEF MV: And so, I think again, if you look at that experience, it’s very similar to what happened on Top Chef. Here I was not realizing that I was now going to acquire a whole new set of skills that I didn’t have yet and so for me, you have this trajectory where you’re building on top of previous successes and you’re combining those successes to get more than you have to put yourself in a situation where you are learning. Then you have to retain that information and then you have to be able to teach that to other people, because it's the only way that you can grow your team around you. If you don’t have the tools to give them to be successful in your role or if you don’t know the expectation of the people that are going to work with you, then they’re not going to have a good experience and neither are you and neither is your business. So, for me, it was really important that I really understood everything and every layer that I was responsible for.

AM: You and your brother back in 2016 opened Voltaggio Brothers Steakhouse together which was your first venture together. What was that like doing that especially as siblings?

CHEF MV: I think that at that point, we had gone in separate directions from each other and I think that we realized that we could accomplish a lot more if we worked together so we started flirting with the idea, and so when MGM called and said, "we have a restaurant in the Maryland/DC area and we’re building this hotel, we think that you should be involved in that," at the time I was living in California and I had Ink – it was still open. My brother was living in Maryland. The reason that the call came in was that somebody who had previously been my boss was the one that was making that call. They had called me saying that they had been watching my career since we had worked together. We'd be interested n potentially doing the restaurant project together at the MGM National Harbor and I was like, in that moment, my brother still lives there, I live in California this story makes the most sense that Bryan and I are both locals from that area and we should do this together. So that became the pilot for how we work in perpetuity. Bryan and I are now business partners in pretty much everything that we do in the restaurant space. So creatively, logistically, work wise – everything involved, it just made more sense. If we work together, we can work half as harder or accomplish twice as much. Just having that support system and having something that you trust as a partner, we didn’t realize how beneficial that was going to be for us moving forward. Because here we are this many years later and we haven’t broken up yet. I think that speaks volumes for how you can do it the right way. There is nothing wrong with family getting into business together.

AM: I love that! We also cover a lot of EDM artists, we enjoy going to music festivals and you guys have Volt Burger which has been in various festival circuits and Live Nation venues. Why did you want to be part of this experience in this particular way?

CHEF MV: I think again back when I talked about entertainment as a medium or a discipline that would be a great tool to connect more people, I think that when Live Nation came to us with the opportunity of getting Volt Burger put together and being in multiple venues across the country, I think we’re in 30+ venues at this point. I think again, we get to connect to that many people that fast. So, for us and Tom See who is the President of Venues for Live Nation, when he called, he really – you could hear it in his voice and see it in his face, that he had a real commitment to elevate just not the food and beverage experience, but the hospitality experience at the venues, I think that when you look at companies that are willing to invest in the safety and the overall experience of their customer base, like I could feel it and I could feel his commitment to where they wanted to do something bigger and do something better. A lot of people call with sentences and statements like that, but they don’t really get behind it.

AM: Right!

CHEF MV: Then you get passed off to somebody else and then it sort of dilutes itself. I think that with Tom and his team, and Andy Yates, Head of Food and Beverage – they’re both personally up to Mr. Rapino the President of Live Nation – they’re personally committed to making sure that what they’re going to do is going to happen. I think that for us, we have learned just as much from them as they have learned from us. I think that again, it’s all about that learning aspect of it. When you can be in multiple cities at once, and I’m not saying physically. We are sometimes physically present at these venues, but it’s a chance for people who don’t necessarily have a direct access to us to sometimes go back to that surprise moment that I talked about when we can under offer and over deliver.

Imagine a fan – or somebody that has always just wanted to try something from the Voltaggio Brothers – they go to a concert to see their favorite artist and then they’re walking through and they see this big banner of Bryan and I on the side of a burger stand and I can only imagine in that moment from them that they have that reaction again! It's like, "oh wait, I'm here to see this musician and there’s the Voltaggio burger!” In my head, I’m envisioning people having an even better time. This point in my career, if you were to ask me what my most important part of my career is, it's hospitality. I genuinely still get excited when I see someone’s reaction on their face when they taste something that I have made. I’m not like, “yeah I knew it was going to be that good,” I’m more like, “wow, thank you! It means so much to me that you like it that much!” It makes me want to go and do more. I genuinely feed off the energy of the people that I take care of. I think that a lot of chefs and a lot of restaurateurs lose touch with that.

AM: This year, you opened Vulcania at Mammoth Mountain. What can guests expect when we’re going there?

CHEF MV: Mammoth Mountain made a commitment to elevate the food and beverage experience. It’s one of the best outdoor recreational mountains in the whole country and in all four seasons. In the summer time, we're going into that now, they still have snow – people are still snowboarding there until like August 1st or 2nd – skiing as well. But again, here’s an opportunity to connect to a whole different demographic that I have yet to really have a chance to get to.

I think that the most unique food markets to elevate the food right now are in markets where there aren’t huge saturation of other restaurants. 1, because there isn’t that much competition and 2, that means that there is probably a need for it right there. So getting to sort of pioneer and go into an area that there isn’t a lot of chef-driven sort of concepts in Mammoth and them wanting to bring that there, to me meant that there was a need for it. Their guests were asking for something different or maybe more and again they made that commitment to hospitality to provide that.

So, that’s when we were like, how do we create a concept that is appropriate for families, appropriate for a very transient sort of guest, but also please people that need fuel to go out and do all of these extreme sport activities. That’s when we were like, we’re Italian and our last name is Voltaggio, we haven’t really done an Italian American concept together, let’s use this as an opportunity to now study this and to do that cuisine together and expand on our repertoire and our portfolio of what we can offer moving forward. So, we dug deep and dove deep into the research. We have always made our own pastas and sauces, and pizza at various different opportunities, but never brought it all together in one restaurant concept.

Then we got to dig deep into even naming the restaurant. Vulcania actually means volcano. Mammoth sits in a volcano more or less. That mountain is a volcano. And the first ship that brought our family to the US was the Vulcania!

AM: Oh wow!

CHEF MV: Yeah, so Voltaggio’s that traveled from Italy to NY, came on a ship called the Vulcania. So, the whole thing just came together. You can never say that something is your favorite restaurant. I just love the restaurant, I love the location, I love our partners, and I think that being part of a destination like that, the restaurant itself becomes a destination too. That’s a pretty special thing!

AM: That’s insane and I love the story involved in that!

I also love the idea of Retro. I like that it is kind of feeding into that 80s/90s feel with fashion and entertainment and its confluence. Can you tell me more about the concept and what the vibe of this restaurant is?

CHEF MV: The goal – well 1, it was a very fast turnaround. We had to come up with a really strategic way to sort of redecorate or revamp a room if you will. When MGM came to us with the opportunity and as you mentioned, we already had a restaurant with them at MGM National Harbor and so my favorite thing about our partnership with MGM is the only reason we don’t do something is because we haven’t thought of it. Any idea that you have, they have the resources and the ability to bring it to life as long as it makes sense you know?

I look at that space and Charlie Palmer (Charlie Palmer Steak, Sky & Vine Rooftop Bar, Dry Creek Kitchen) is one of my mentors as well, how do we take this iconic space at the Mandalay Bay and how do we make it enough ours so that it doesn’t feel like what it was while not taking away from what it was. Meaning, Aureole which was one of the first restaurants in Vegas that really told the story of these chef partnerships.

So we approached it with, what if we like – we moved around a lot as kids – what if we treated it like we did as kids where our parents had us in a new house and we got to decorate our new room. That’s effectively what it is. We call restaurants the room – the dining room is the room. So, let’s go decorate our room. We started down this path of what that would look like and I always had this in my head. I used to work with this chef named Katsu-ya Uechi (Katsu-ya, The Izaka-ya by Katsu-ya, Kiwami) and we talked about a concept that would be retro modern meaning that you could start with retro dishes and modernize them a little bit. I remember having to call Katsu-ya and say, “hey, I know that we had this conversation together and I know that this was something that you were really big on and wanted to do one day. Is it ok if I sort of do this concept, but in a much different way than what we discussed?” We had both nerded out on this back in the day and this opportunity came up where I could bring it to life. He was like, “yeah, go for it. If anyone could do it, it’s you.” So my brother and I decided to noodle on the idea and using that as the foundation to build this whole concept on top of.

What if everything that was important to us in our childhood through our personal and professional careers, what if we could tell that story through a restaurant. So down to the white CorningWare pots with the blue flowers on the side of it, we’re serving food in that. To the décor, Keith Magruder, if you look up BakersSon on Instagram, he’s an artist that did a lot of the art in there. So there’s a lot of painted album covers that throw back and tribute to the music in the 80s and 90s. He did things like make 2 scale 3 dimensional water color paintings of Nintendos and Blockbuster Videos and he made these cool paintings of gummy bears. He did an Uno Table and these 3 dimensional donuts and things like that. So what we did was we went into this room and just like when we were kids, it was kind of like, I’m going to hang up my favorite poster on the wall and I’m going to put up a couple of tchotchkes in the space and it's going to be mine.

What we didn’t realize was going to happen is that all the creative people in the company that worked for the company got behind it in such a big way that everyone started to contribute to the process! Down to Tony Hawk sent us one of his skateboard decks and wrote, “Go Retro” on it so that we could hang it up inside the tower. It was just one of those things where it was like, you have to be so careful when you have an idea because you don’t know how fast it can go and how many people will embrace it and get behind it. Before you know it, you can wake up and have something as incredible as Retro.

The food, we have Pot Roast and Mac & Cheese. But our Mac & Cheese, we make the noodles ourselves, we make this cloud of cheesy sauce that sits on top of it that’s sort of feels like the sauce that would come in a package of Velveeta, but we’re making it from really good cheddar cheese, we’re making a bechamel, we’re emulsifying the cheese into it and aerating it with a whip cream siphon – we’re making our own Cheez Whiz more or less!

“Then we got to dig deep into even naming the restaurant. Vulcania actually means volcano. Mammoth sits in a volcano more or less. That mountain is a volcano. And the first ship that brought our family to the US was the Vulcania!”

— Chef Michael Voltaggio

AM: Oh my God! It’s the best Cheez Whiz ever though!

CHEF MV: Yeah! It’s like, how do we start with this idea and then turn it into something that can be appropriate in an elevated dining experience? We’ve got a lot of that sprinkled throughout the menu. We also have things that are comforting too.

It’s not just like kitschy or trying to do something for the sake of doing it. Our Caesar Salad is just a Caesar Salad, but then we serve it with a little bag of churros that we make out of Parmesan Cheese. Our Mozzarella Caprese is a piece of cheese that we dip in a Pomodoro skin that creates a skin of tomato on the outside of it so that it looks like a tomato, but it tastes like a tomato sauce and it’s on the outside of a piece of cheese.

AM: Oh wow! Earlier this week on your IG Stories, I want to say that you had an avocado, but it was a pit that looked like a gelee – what was that?

CHEF MV: So, we had a dish and once again, this was us reacting to guest feedback, we had a dish that I called back, we had a dish that I called Chips and Guacamole on the menu. So, we did this giant rice paper wafer and put a confit of avocado in the middle of it. But the problem was when it went out to the guests, they said, “well, that’s not Chips and Guacamole. I don’t know what that is.” I think that some chefs, their egos would not allow them to say, “ok, do I listen to the guests and do I make a change?” So, when I hear stuff like that and it’s consistent, I’m like, “ok, I need to change this dish!” It’s not living up to the guest’s expectations. So, then I was like, Avocado Toast, bread would be more appropriate to eat with this. I wonder how I could make this retro. I learned the technique of spherification from José Andrés. It was created by chefs, Ferran Adrià and Albert Adrià (Tickets, Enigma, Little Spain) back in El Bulli back in the early 90s. It’s not retro. We’re in 2023! Can I pay homage to it without saying, “oh that’s such a dated technique, that I can’t believe that you’re doing it.” It was such an important technique that it changed like, José, the Adrià Brothers, they made a global impact on how chefs looked at food. So for me, I was like, I think that I can make a black garlic purée and spherify that the way that I learned how to do it when I was working with José and put that in the middle of an avocado that I’m putting in the oven and put that on a plate and put a couple of other seasonings on it and put it with some really good crusty bread and serve it as an Avocado Toast.

AM: That looked so ridiculously good!

CHEF MV: But you know what’s so crazy? Some people today, like the next generation of people that are out eating in restaurants, they never saw spherification. Like let’s say that someone who is 19 or in their 20s or whatever, they missed that whole thing. We have this obsession with trends and we program our brains to say if it’s trendy, then eventually, it will go out of style. Therefore, you have to forget about it.

Where kale had its moment, like last year, or 2 or 3 years ago that the Kale Caesar Salad became so popular people were like it’s so popular, you can’t put it out because it is on everyone’s menu. Or like Pork Belly, it disappeared! Like Pork Belly was on every single menu and then all of a sudden, one day you woke up and you’re like, “where’s all the Pork Belly?” Every chef was cooking it, but I think that people got it to be trendy because they liked it and that’s what they wanted. We have this innate desire for change when change isn’t necessary. I think that spherification got trendier and then people were like, what’s the next cool thing? But then when we do that, we forget that the cool things that we have and that these chefs have sort of put forward to learn, we feel this pressure to not embrace it or to not do it anymore because now we have to create the next big thing.

AM: Yup!

CHEF MV: Why not just keep it around? So we brought that back and not only as a nod to the Avocado Toast, but a nod to the individuals that were behind that technique. I thought that it was so cool when we first learned it and I didn’t think that it needed to go anywhere.

AM: I love how you approach food like that. As someone who in addition to being the Co-Founder of Athleisure Mag is a fashion stylist and a designer, there are many times when I’m like, “yeah, this is a great look, we don’t need to lock it as a trend that has an expiration or pause around it. We can still use this.” I love that you’re talking about something that I fight about on the fashion side all the time.

CHEF MV: I think that there are a lot of similarities between fashion and food too! When you think about the sustainability aspect, when you think about again – in your world, and I think that that’s why I love fashion as much as I do. But now, even in buying my clothes, I go look for old things. Like, I don’t want the newest trendiest thing, I want the old trendy thing, why did it go away? Where did it go? I think that when you look at some of the most successful brands now, they’re the ones that can continue to just bring it back whether it’s recycled with an actual item or an idea, it’s that storytelling that I think that people actually gravitate towards.

AM: I totally agree! I always tell people it’s about going back to the archives!

CHEF MV: Yeah!

AM: There’s so many things that you can spring back from it. You can put a twist on it and do whatever. But the archives are the archives for a reason! They’re going to be here much longer than some of these other things that are going to be a flash in the pan.

CHEF MV: I feel like people can go shopping in their own closet. If you’ve saved stuff from 3 years ago that you haven’t worn and then all of a sudden, you’re like, “wait a second, I’m going to look back at that.” Maybe you got something as a gift that you would have never worn when they gave it to you and then you rediscovered it again in your closet and I think that any creative could recognize that with whatever kind of discipline that they have. Just go back into your closet and try something old.

“But now even in buying my clothes, I go look for old things. Like, I don’t want the newest trendiest thing, I want the old trendy thing, why did it go away? Where did it go? I think that when you look at some of the most successful brands now, they’re the ones that can continue to just bring it back whether it’s recycled with an actual item or an idea, it’s that storytelling that I think that people actually gravitate towards.”

— Chef Michael Voltaggio

AM: Exactly!

Since being on Top Chef, you have been on so many TV shows judging and guest hosting and even doing series, why did you want to add these into your portfolio?

CHEF MV: I think it’s because I don’t want to become complacent. I think that my biggest fear in life was going to be that I would get stuck doing the same job every single day. Although that’s great for some people, and it’s necessary to have those who are committed to that, it didn’t work for me. I never had the attention span to do just that. And so, as I get those opportunities, I think that it make me better for what I do. For instance, if I go and I have 4 days where I can work on this television show, after the 4 days are done, I’m excited to go back to my restaurant. Maybe in those 4 days while I was gone, I learned something while I was there that I could bring back to my restaurant. For me, again, it’s about learning. I’m learning. I get to do something that I would have never had the opportunity to do. When I started cooking, if you told me that I would be doing dozens of episodes of television a year or any television at all, I remember when I was doing some local television and how nervous I was. I was like, wait, I didn’t sleep and I was telling everyone and it was local news! I thought it was the coolest thing on the planet for me to able to get to do. Then, fast forward to now and I’m a show that can reach millions of people. So, not only did I see the opportunity, but I feel a sense of responsibility to use that platform the right way and I think that I just love the fact that I get to communicate with that many people at once. I think that it’s an opportunity for me to tell my story, but also to continue to contribute to this commitment of hospitality that I signed up for. I’m not just making people feel good, I genuinely do this because I love the fact that what I do that maybe I can make someone else smile or whatever. I know how that sounds, but I genuinely believe that! The fact that I do that and I get to call it work is so important!

AM: Well, I know that you always bring so much energy when I see you on different shows like Bobby’s Tripple Threat, we’ve had interviews with Chef Brooke Williamson (Playa Provisions, Top Chef Season 14 Winner, Tournament of Champions Season 1 Winner) a number of different times. When I saw that you were on there, I couldn’t wait to see what you would do. Or, if I see you on Guy’s Grocery Games – it’s really cool to see your point of view when you're doing all of these different things.

CHEF MV: Yeah, when you look at the competition side of cooking too and what I learned very quickly is that it’s a very different discipline. A lot of super talented chefs who are in restaurants struggle with the competition side of it, especially if there are a lot of different cameras and stuff around them. So again for me, I thought, if I could become good at that, then that’s another level of chef that I can become good at and I think that what’s interesting about that is that I do it so much that the first time I competed, I took it so seriously. I still do! I get so much anxiety every time that I’m about to go. But then I do it so much and I started to look at competition cooking like the sport of cooking.

AM: Yup!

CHEF MV: It really is and it’s not for me as much about entertaining and doing a demo of what you’re doing. It’s more so that people can watch it and cheer for their favorite athlete and I think that that's what culinary competition really is.

So now, we win some and we lose some. You have to learn from those losses and I think that those losses are the ones that I have learned the most from. I think that anyone that competes in any competitive setting would say the same thing. You have to experience those losses to then go back and say, how can I be better so that I can get more of those wins. I think that it became a personal obsession because I wanted to continue to learn and win! Because it really is a sport – it’s a sport!

AM: Are there any projects that you have coming up that you can share that we should keep an eye out for? I feel like you’re always doing something!

CHEF MV: One thing that I can say is that Season 2 of Tripple Threat will start airing in August! I think that that’s the next big thing that we’re excited about. Then it’s about just getting back to work with Bobby Flay (Amalfi, Bobby’s Burgers, Brasserie B), Brooke and Tiffany Derry (Roots Southern Table, Roots Chicken Shak, Top Chef Season 7 Fan Favorite). I think that there is more to that than what everyone has seen so far! I think that for me, that is really one of my favorite projects that we're doing right now. Myself, Brooke, and Tiffany - Bobby included, we’ve all become so close to one another through this project and I think that more of that – I want to be able to keep my knives sharp and my brain sharper. I think that the best opportunity for me to do that is growing my relationship with Live Nation, Bryan and I are really sort of excited about the amount of support that we’ve gotten from MGM with every project that we have in the works with them. I think that for now, honestly what I’d like to focus on is focusing on what I have going on. I think that right now is a good point to say that I am satisfied with everything that we have our hands around right now. Let’s just focus on doing the best job that we can at that and then maybe next year, pivot and start focusing on some other stuff. For now, I have a lot of responsibilities and I have a chance to make a lot of people happy and I’m going to focus on that!

AM: As someone who is so busy, how do you take time for yourself so that you can just reset?

CHEF MV: I mean, I think that you have to force it. I have a tendency to say yes to everything and I think that I grew up working more 7 day weeks then I did 5. I would say that I did that for a good part of my life. I wanted to do it, but I did it because I had to as well. I mean, I had 2 daughters when I was young and I remember when I was doing my apprenticeship, on my days off I was standing in a deer processing plant at a local butchers house processing meat and stuff to pay the bills you know? I think that my work ethic is something that is really important to me and it’s something that I don’t want to lose touch of. I think that it’s a super valuable asset, but at the same time, I’m allowing myself to do that, to take a couple of things and to just go do something. Like yesterday was my daughter’s birthday and it’s a little extreme, but my brother flew me here from Vegas, we were at our restaurant doing an event and I was like, “I need to get to my daughter, it’s her birthday.” She’s down here in medical school, she’s going to become a doctor.

AM: Oh wow!

CHEF MV: Not only is it like a Voltaggio going to college which is one thing! But a Voltaggio becoming a doctor is another! My other daughter is here as well and she’s like also doing her own thing and so when you have those moments to spend time with family, my brother flew my wife and I down here just to spend 2 days with my daughters here. I think that family time is so key!

AM: Your smile is so big right now!

CHEF MV: Well because I think that as much as I hate that I am going to say this, I really neglected my family for a long time because I had this path that I had to do these things so that I could be better for them. So now, I think that at this point in my life, as much as I provided for them, I think that I could be more present for them and that’s something that I am really trying to carve out time for.

AM: If we were invited to your house for brunch, what would be something that you would cook for us? I always love knowing what people’s brunch menus are.

CHEF MV: I mean as much as I hate to say it, I would have to have something with caviar on it because I think that, I don’t know, to me brunch is caviar. I think that that’s really weird to say, but when I worked, no one wanted to work brunch at the luxury hotel. If you got scheduled to work brunch, you were getting punished. I think that that was the first time that I tried caviar. Working brunch at The Greenbriar Hotel or at The Ritz Carlton or something like that and I was like, “hmm, I like this stuff.” Then when I was in charge of running things, there was Caviar Eggs Benedict, caviar this and caviar that! I just really liked it. There’s a restaurant that we have here in LA called Petrossian, you have one in NY as well.

AM: We literally lived around the corner from them!

CHEF MV: So, they do this Caviar Flatbread there and I had it once, I’ve had it a lot actually, and I’m going to go home and recreate my own version of this. Every time I have a brunch, I am going to do this. You can do this with smoked salmon like the Wolfgang Smoked Salmon Pizza that Wolfgang Puck makes. But you buy the flour tortillas, and you brush them with a little olive oil and season it with a little salt and bake those in the oven. You pull them out and you have a crispy flatbread.

So now, you can build this breakfast pizza on whatever you want on top of it. So, now you grab crème fraiche, capers, grab some chopped red onion, parsley, a little hard-boiled egg, and whether it’s smoked salmon or caviar, you cut it into pizza. It’s easy, it looks beautiful –

AM: Wow!

CHEF MV: You said wow, I only described it to you and you said wow! I used to get that a lot when I went to Petrossian for brunch and I would always order the Caviar Flatbread. So, a smoked salmon version or whatever, I just think that the idea of using a flour tortilla is something that everyone should have in their repertoire!

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