AM: Are there upcoming projects that you want us to keep an eye out for that Tuff Gong Collective will be releasing?
CM: Oh, there’s always something cooking!
We have a few projects coming through Tuff Gong Collective that I’m really excited about, particularly in music, film and storytelling. I can’t give away all the surprises yet, but you’re going to see us continuing to create opportunities for the next generation while also finding new ways to tell Jamaican stories.
For me, that’s really where the Collective is heading. It’s not about trying to recreate what came before us. You can’t recreate that. It’s about taking the foundation that was given to us and building something new on top of it.
And I’m especially excited about what the younger generation is doing. They have their own voices, their own ideas, their own way of seeing the world and I want Tuff Gong Collective to be a place where that creativity can live and grow.
So yes, definitely keep your eyes and ears open. There’s music coming, there are stories coming, and maybe a few things people won’t expect.
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After speaking with Cedella, we also wanted to talk to one of the athletes that is featured in this film, to hear about their involvement and why this was important for them to be part of this documentary.
ATHLEISURE MAG: It is so nice to connect with you. I just watched the documentary a couple of nights ago and a number of times it was when you were on screen interacting with the team or the Federation where I would just pause so it’s great to be able to talk with you about Football as well as the film!
DENEISHA “DEN-DEN” BLACKWOOD: Did you enjoy it?
AM: I loved the documentary. I am frustrated by what you guys had to navigate on the road to going to the FIFA World Cup! But, the documentary was great and seeing how as a team between players and coaching staff came together was great!. But, over the course of a 90 min plus film, I had to pause it and say, “my God, this is crazy!” But then I would focus on the powerful and compelling storytelling of how you guys trained together, supported one another especially when talking with the Federation about what going on and trying to get answers – especially as a team. So it was incredible. I’ve been a fan of the Jamaican Football team for years.
I’m excited to talk with you as It will be great to dig into this more and to see it from the vantage point of the players as we have chatted with the filmmakers as well as Cedella.
DDB: I’m really excited. I haven’t done an interview in a long time, but I think this one is something that as you know, is going to help the film! I will allow people to understand more about the film and, as you said, get more insights into how we came together to figure it out.
AM: Before we delve into the film, when did you fall in love with football?
DDB: So I fell in love with football when I was around 15. I started playing at 13 and immediately, I was on the U15 National Team. I didn’t have an idea of what I was doing. Track and field was my thing because I was fast.
AM: I assumed that at one time you were in Track and Field!
DDB: Yes! Track and Field was my thing. So I love track. But my brother told me to go test football out and I did. So at 15, I was on the U-17 team and I didn’t make it one time.
AM: So, what led to your decision that you would go pro?
DDB: So, the decision behind going pro was that much like in the film, Konya Plummer and I were close. I am also close to Bunny Shaw as well. So when we were in college at that time, they had all of these offers and after seeing that, I wanted to be in the mix too. I wanted to be making money as well as being able to keep doing this. I was selected for the 2019 World Cup team and I knew that that would be my best shot. Once I had been in the camaraderie and being able to be a role model in a sense, I knew that this was what I wanted.
AM: That’s amazing.
You play for the Women’s Jamaican National Team and you also play for Toluca Femenil in Mexico. What is it about this game that you just love doing? I mean, you travel around the world for it. So what is it that makes you just so excited about it?
DDB: What makes me excited about playing football and also representing the National team, are the connections you get to have with people from different races, different cultures, and you get to see the world. You get to understand the world and with that, you get to understand yourself. So I am always grateful for that when I am playing. The connections, the people, and just living in different countries, and being able to be part of different cultures.
AM: What is an average week of training like for you when you’re preparing to play for the next match, especially for the World Cup?
DDB: Okay, I’m gonna give the first day of my World Cup game. But what a week of training looks like for me for a World Cup game is that mentally, the first day I’m like, “what are my intentions for training?” Because my intentions for training has to lead to my intentions for the game. So, I set training goals. Maybe I’m on the left side, so maybe that’s being aggressive in my first tackle. So, in training, going against my teammates were so competitive. So, I’m in their skin in the first moment. I’m taking that first tackle, hydrating - drinking water, drinking electrolytes - I’m really a big fan of electrolytes, stretching, rolling out, and physically getting myself ready too because training is hard. Some days are tactical, some days are a little bit more relaxed. The day before training, you do free kicks, corners and, being able to get that feel of what the game is going to be like the next day. Game Day, I love a Game Day. You wake up and go to the mirror in the morning and you give yourself that pep talk. You remember that you’ve worked, you done everything that you can do and needed not accomplish in that week so there is no need to be nervous as the work was already put in! What you did during training will come out in the game! You’ve got to pump yourself up and it’s on you! I also feed off my teammates when we’re in the field. But in order for them to feed off of me, I have to make sure mentally and physically that I’m ready and prepared to play.
AM: Definitely.
As I said at the top, I loved watching this film. I felt it was a compelling story. What is it like to be at the World Cup, playing for your country and having to play when there are other dynamics that are going on, on and off the field that for many people would make it difficult for them to still be focused on that goal of representing their country. What does it mean to you to be part of this documentary?
DDB: For me, what it means to be a part of this documentary is that I feel like not just in football, but in life, people only see the good, which is the outcome. I think people always say, “oh, the Reggae Girlz, they have good spirits, they’re such a good team together.” What nobody really sees is the struggles and the challenges we have to deal with behind the scenes. Truthfully, we don’t feel respected when we are representing Jamaica. We don’t feel respected by the Federation - we performed things got a little bit worse we performed again and then things became a disaster. At some point we’re like, “okay but the bigger teams are performing and their Federations are seeing them.” So why is it so hard for our Federation to see us when we are performing?
AM: Speaking to that, there is a tense moment between the team and Federation as they are looking for answers. Hearing as a collective that the team provided facts, asked questions, and sought accountability while being respectful. With the issues that your team had with friendlies, travel, etc it was amazing to see everyone maintain their composure without doing antics! It couldn’t be me!
DDB: I think that’s what killed them because for the Men’s Team, I don’t know what happens on the Men’s Team the culture is different, but because we’re females, they expected us to just sit back and take everything. But, these are some of the most brilliant women that I’ve ever come across. We document the stuff we need. When we ask them for stuff, we make sure we have it in writing. Because at the end of the day, proof is the only thing that’s going to set us free.
AM: Exactly.
How did you guys come together to decide, you know what? We need to have this conversation. I can imagine that you have a number of people where they agree but they don’t want to put their neck out like that. So how did that process go about?
DDB: I think at some point, we realized that it’s not about how we feel. It’s not about how we feel. It’s not about how people are going to see us. It’s about the truth. We are actually not being treated right. We have to say something or else we won’t make another World Cup because eventually there won’t be a Women’s program if we just keep quiet. I think we had meetings together all the time while we were in camp. We made votes and everybody understood the risk that was at hand. But we were still willing to take it because we want to represent the country. We want younger girls to come and represent this country. We just decided together that like we’ll take the first step. We’ll take a little bit of the bashment from the outside world. So, we had meetings, meetings, and then voting.
AM: That exchange was another time where I had to pause the documentary. I was like, “did that just happen?” To see you as women come together and in the midst of the frustration and search for accountability and a solution, there were only a few side eyes that were done as opposed to really showing the emotions around this! I had a lot of respect for that moment and it just showed the depth of professionalism and how well put together you are.
DDB: No, for real! As you see in the film, when they were having the harder conversation, I personally wasn’t there. I can’t just sit and just like –
AM: I was looking for you because I felt that if there’s one person that I know is going to give more emotions, it was you – ha! I realized that you must not have been there that day.
DDB: My God, I was like, this is this is crazy. How can you just expect to sit and talk to us like that and that we would just be like okay - we’re gonna take whatever you give us?
AM: Well another point that you brought up which I agree with is that I love that there are highs and lows that are shown in this film. So as much as that moment between the team and the Federation was super tense – I can’t even imagine what it would have been like to be in that room with the cameras and the emotions.
I really loved the joy when you guys went to Adidas in Netherlands and you’re modeling the kits that you will wear during the World Cup. You have a place to play and you get that moment where you are receiving the love and the respect for what it is that you guys do as athletes and as a craft.
What did it mean to you to have that element of support and just that moment getting ready to go to the World Cup?
DDB: Adidas plays a big role in the work that we have done over the years. Obviously, Cedella, we can’t thank them and her enough. But from the side of the players, oh my God, we were so appreciative. We literally felt like this is all we ever wanted - people to see us and to give us the things that we need to perform. Once you do, you won’t have to worry because guess what? We are ready to do the job on the field. They literally removed a number of things that we didn’t need ot work about. They took it off of our hands. We had their gym facility and it was just, it was insane. I have personally never experienced anything like that. We would sit in our groups because we’re a very close team. So we’ll sit in our groups and say that we had to go to the round of 60. Like this is not for nothing. Adidas gave us so much and the Federation hadn’t even put a dollar into all of the things that we’ve gotten. We’ve gotten 4 cleats and everybody was able to go to training every day. This is why we do it. We were just so excited.
We were dancing, having conversation with their team, we got to know the Adidas Corporation. They’re all lovely people. And we tell them too, we’re like, this is all we’ve ever wanted. So guess what? You guys give this to us and we’ll take care of business. And that’s exactly what we went and did.
AM: I was so happy for you guys and to see the artwork that they did for you at their HG in the Netherlands.
DDB: The painter was so good. She talked with us. You see the painting, but you also kind of see how she got to know us too in the painting, which was really powerful.
AM: Really, really powerful.
As you mentioned, we have the thread of Cedella through the film as she is an Ambassador of the Women’s Jamaican team. She also provided various levels of support via the Bob Marley Foundation.
What did it mean to you to have her support and were you able to interact with her directly?
DDB: To have Cedella’s support is just, it’s more than the Federation deserves. We deserve it as players, but it’s more than they deserve. I think she’s a woman that lives by her dad’s words that football is freedom. It’s all about peace and love, and giving back. When she talked about her son bringing that flyer to her, she felt the need to get on board. She’s an incredible person. She came when we were in Amsterdam. Every day we would come in at the training facility and you would hear Bob Marley music. She would come, she would chat with us, ask us how it’s training, maybe kick a ball with us, and take some pictures. It felt like somebody that not only wanted to give, but also to understand who we are as people. I think for me, that’s also powerful. She came and she had conversations with everybody. Her energy is so light and that’s the energy we need around us. I think that energy just spread through the team, through the team, through the coaches, everybody that we interacted with - you know, they feel the energy. I think that comes from us being able to be comfortable with her.
AM: I didn’t realize until watching the film that your team is the first Caribbean team to have back-to-back appearances at the World Cup.
What did it mean to you to be on such a global stage like that?
DDB: It means a lot to me to be on a global stage like that, to be honest. I come from a single mom with 5 kids and no dads. The idea of being on a stage where I couldn’t even hear my own heartbeat was never something that I think about on the daily. I think being in the starting 11 in the first World Cup game, hearing my national anthem with over 40,000 people watching – I felt that I had won in life and that that was success for me. I don’t have to reach at the highest level in the world yet, but I’ve had a lot of success. I think when we are on the field and when we’re together, we always talk about how grateful we are because someone my age could have had the same opportunity and didn’t get it. We’re going to do it for the people who can’t do it for themselves or didn’t get the opportunity to do it.
AM: Or need that encouragement.
DDB: Or that encouragement! That’s why I love this documentary because you go through struggles. It’s part of life. If you’re in a 9-5, you’re still going through struggles, you know, but like people don’t underestimate what you see in the good, until they are able to see the other part too.
AM: What was your biggest takeaway after this film, now that it’s coming out in the next few days?
DDB: My biggest takeaway from the film is never underestimate the power of resilience. You have to keep trying. People will see you when you’re supposed to be seen. I’ve been with the national team since I was 13 and I’m 29 now and we’re just getting seen. So, it’s like, stick with that resilience. If you’re with a group of people who believe that they can change the world, stick with that group of people because the ones who are supposed to get the message will get the message.
AM: Will you be going to any of the launch premieres for this film?
DDB: Right now, I am in the middle of my season as it just started.
AM: That’s what I thought.
DDB: I literally was telling my sister that earlier. I wish I could go and meet people and talk to them in person.
AM: Are you thinking about the next World Cup?
DDB: Absolutely. I am so looking forward to be a part of this next World Cup. We had preseason this past Summer because the Summer is ending. This whole preseason, I knew I need to be my best self mentally and physically.
I need to figure out what that looks like because if you have a goal and once I set that goal, there’s going to be challenges throughout the year leading up to it. But the most important thing is, I have the goal, which is to make the team and that’s staying healthy. It’s getting the recovery stuff that I need. So whether that’s the Normatech boots, going to saunas, cold therapy, getting the body right and, getting the mind right. I like to journal a lot and it allows me to understand myself and keep learning.
My team, we have a new coach and it’s just been really good for me. So I think I’m literally counting on myself to be in this one. I got this tattoo. I don’t know if you can see it. (Editor’s Note: Den-Den shows us her tattoo that has both years of her World Cup appearances on her wrist and she has a little space where more years can be included.)
AM: I see it.
DDB: I made an extra space so I can have one more.
AM: You’re making your goal very apparent! Do you have any upcoming projects? We obviously are in the middle of your season right now, but is there anything that you have going on? And obviously we have the film that’s coming out that you want to share with our readers so that we can continue to follow you and support you?
DDB: I want to be more into social media and brand myself. Just look out for the posts that you will see from me. I’m excited for people to see the things that I do and getting to know more about me! You can also watch my games on YouTube and VIX for Toluca FC.
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PHOTOGRAPHY CREDITS | Reggae Girlz/Red Bull Studios